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If you're looking to buy a new speargun, you better read this! Pelaj

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charlie-in-thai

Spearfishing Thailand
Sep 21, 2008
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Dear friend and fellow spearman,



A WARNING & A REQUEST FOR YOUR HELP



As some of you know, I'm an ex-pat living in Thailand for the past few years.

In October 2008, I purchased a 1.3m Nemesis Rail gun direct from the manufacturer, Pelaj in Australia. After around one month, this brand new gun became impossible to load and extremely dangerous to use – simply, the first band would load ok, but when any attempt was made to load the second band, the spear would discharge immediately once the wishbone was engaged and my grip on the bands was released, even when the safety catch was ON!.... Just think about that!



In December 2008, I received a replacement trigger mechanism from Pelaj, under warranty and they assured me that this was a '1-in-a-million fault/occurrence.' Everything was fine for the first 3 weeks, until I suffered the exact same defect with the replacement mech. - I had just resumed my confidence in this product, when the recoil caught me unawares the first time this problem re-occurred. As a result, I sustained a very nasty bruise to the base of my throat. Considering I was in 20m of water, this could have been a lot worse!


I immediately notified Pelaj, who offered another replacement mech., together with an additional ‘free’ gun of equivalent value; Very generous and an exceptional 'good will' gesture you might think!? Yep, I thought so too and I accepted this offer. Heck! I even parted with another AU$229 (around £105) to upgrade the 'free' gun and order an extra item from them to boot!


After a considerable amount of emails and phone calls during January and February, chasing this order, which still hadn’t arrived by March 2nd, I had finally had enough. I figured it would be better to buy another brand that I could have complete 100% confidence in, than own 2 Pelaj guns that I did not. I notified Pelaj that I would return the Nemesis and wished to cancel my existing order. They agreed to "promptly" refund the AU$229 for the upgrade/extra item, the original purchase amount and the delivery charged when purchased - I agreed to waive my costs (not an insignificant sum at £60!) to return it from Thailand to Australia, in an attempt to be fair.

I telephoned Pelaj on April 2nd and spoke with the owner, Michael McCallum, who confirmed they had received the gun and further commented “I can understand why you returned it” ...Not only was the product dangerous to use, but the protective finishes on both the barrel and the spear had begun to deteriorate after only a few weeks of use. Again, I was assured that a refund to my credit card would be forthcoming soonest.

Sad to say, since then I have been presented with some pretty lame excuses and delaying obstacles as to why they cannot issue my refund. Such as, my credit card cannot be authorised for a refund on their system (I have since supplied an alternative credit card number!) and the old... "our accounts lady is on leave, she will arrange the refund as soon as she gets back" (seriously, he said that!) and "can you supply the original invoice?" despite enclosing a copy when I returned the gun!

Like you, I have worked hard for my money and feel when I purchase something, ANYTHING AT ALL, it should be 'fit' for the purpose for which it was designed. If not, give me my money back. Am I being unfair or unreasonable in my expectations?

At the time of this post, my emails are now being ignored and phone attempts to speak to the 'man in charge?' have been in vain. I am still out-of-pocket AU$788 (that’s around £384 or 4'860 ZAR or US$565 or 427 Euros) Remember, I have never received the upgraded free? gun, the extra item, or the refund for £105 charged!

Naturally, I feel very disappointed and frustrated, to put it mildly.

I felt obliged to share my experiences with this company and it's products, as I sincerely do not want any other spearo, friend or otherwise, to find themselves in the position I am now in.

Please draw attention to this post to any and all of the spearos you know.

I AM a realist; I'm fully aware that everyone in Manufacturing has problems from time to time. Anyone who says different, isn't in Manufacturing! BUT... when things do go wrong, then it is said company's duty to make amends to their customers, and to be honourable about it too. Appalling after-sales service like this just isn't good for the sport we all love :naughty

If you agree, please take the time to express your feelings and send an email Mr. McCallum. Perhaps you could ask him why Pelaj do not stand by their products when all their marketing declares they do. Ask him why they do not honour their guarantees when all their advertising says they do. Most of all, ask him where my refund is, I would like and deserve my money back. You can reach him at:


mmccallum@aquastralis.com

service@pelaj.com


Thank you. I really appreciate it. Who knows, maybe your email(s) will prick this guy's conscience and finally, I might get the money back for which I am rightly due.

With warmest regards,



Charlie
 
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Charlie I'd be happy to send an email to him, I hate it when companies don't stand by their products. But since he's obviously dodging taking responsibility for this, could you post your last name so that I can refer to you specifically enough that he can't come up with the (charlie-in-Thailand who?) excuse.
 
Thanks Alex for your reply.

Yes, I agree totally; companies should stand by their products and I too hate it when they dont too. I have many assurances from Pelaj (Aqualstralis) that they will refund 'promptly/soon,' but it has now been ONE MONTH since they received the faulty Nemesis returned by me and I'm still waiting for my refund.

Don't worry, mate... I have made many requests to Michael McCallum for the return of my money, by email and by phone. For sure, he will know who I am! My name is Nic, but my nickname since school days, is Charlie - My students find that easier to pronounce, as Nic usually comes out as 'Nix' ;)

Below is his last email reply to me. By all means, copy and paste it and attach it your email. I have emailed and called him since, but have heard nothing further. Perhaps you are right to be concerned, maybe he has 'forgotten' all about me... afterall, I'm ONLY a customer!

Thanks a million for your support, amigo. Ditto, to anyone else who will support me in this by sending an email to Pelaj. I don't earn a a fortune teaching English in Thailand, so, this is a lot of money to me right now. I worked hard for it, it's mine and I would like it returned.

Charlie


From: mmccallum@aquastralis.com
To: charleswillberry@hotmail.com
Subject: RE: Attn: MICHAEL
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 14:54:16 +1000

Your explanation regarding the $229 was what I needed Michael
 
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Bad karma and Good karma. I think in this case each company mentioned will get what they deserve.

I was so impressed by the good will gesture that I have emailed both companies with my disgust and also my compliment. Maybe a lesson to companies that it may only be ONE customer .. but we do talk to each other! , and good customer service is something we value.
 
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STOP PRESS:

HERE IS A COMPANY THAT IS NOT ONLY WILLING TO BACK-UP THE PRODUCTS THEY SUPPLY, BUT WHO ARE ALSO WILLING, IN THIS CASE, TO BACK UP THOSE OF OTHERS!

Before posting here, this 'warning/request' was originally sent as an email to the many spearos I know and consider good friends. Many of whom, kindly forwarded it to others in their own clubs and circles.

As a result, I have received the following, overwhelming email from Colin at European Spearfishing Supplies:


Hi T, nice to hear from you.

Charlie seems to have had a bad experience both with the gun he got in good faith and his application for a replacement...real shame.

Charlie if you manage to get this mail... European Spearfishing Supplies UK will replace your gun with an equivalent Rob Allen model 'free of charge!' all you gotta do is pay the postage.

Hope it works out.

Regards
Colin Chester
ESS
www.europeanspearfishingsupplies.com
www.roballenspearguns.com
sales@europeanspearfishingsupplies.com


Colin, to say I'm gob-smacked would be an understatement. That's what I call a GENUINE good-will gesture! Thank you so much... it seems I will soon be back in the 'big blue' with a reliable and safe BW gun. Thanks Jon for bringing it with you when you’re shortly coming back out here - that will save me a hefty courier fee from UK to Thailand. I'll have a cup of PG brewing when you get here, mate ;)

[FONT=&quot]Oh, and thank you too, Mr. Allen. I'm sure I'm gonna be delighted with my new gun :)

I'm definately not being ungrateful guys, but my pride would rather I paid for it... hopefully, with the money from my refund! It's also the damned principal of the matter here!

My heartfelt thanks to everyone's gracious support. You know who you are [/FONT]
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YAHHHHHOOOOOOOOO! I'm sooooo stoked!


Charlie :friday
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Bad karma and Good karma. I think in this case each company mentioned will get what they deserve.

I was so impressed by the good will gesture that I have emailed both companies with my disgust and also my compliment. Maybe a lesson to companies that it may only be ONE customer .. but we do talk to each other! , and good customer service is something we value.

Hear hear to that Pav... and good on ya, mate! Thanks for taking the time.

Oops, sorry, your post appears above my previous that you're referring to, I accidently deleted it... must be the excitement of at last getting a good gun!
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Hi Guys

Thanks for the posts and bringing this to my attention.

We owe Charlie/Nic an apology for not attending to this sooner.

There has been a break down in communication when a team member left at short notice to attend a death in the family and didn't pass instructions to the rest of the team to attend to this.

Notwithstanding the delay is unacceptable and we apologize unreservedly for not attending to this sooner.

Just to clarify - we were replacing Charlies gun with a brand new one and upgrading the mech in his existing gun so he would have had a brand new gun as well as his existing one.

Charlie the offer still stands despite the refund.

The reason for the delay was to replace the mech in his gun with a Gen 3 mech which is just being released now (about 6 weeks late) - we wanted to make 100% sure that any misfiring and jamming issues identified from earlier production runs have been dealt with.

If any of you read the various spearfishing magazines you will note that we are upgrading the grip of anyone with a Spekter gun and above to the new 2009 Ergo handle at no charge (from local retailers) or $20 (to cover p+h) from us directly.

These are hardly the actions of a company that is complacent about customer service!

I hope this clarifies the matter but if anyone needs further clarification please email or call.

Kindest regards

Shaun
Pelaj Service Team member
+ 61 3 9314 2048
 
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Did it work out Charlie? Tell me you sorted it all out? Correction: That they sorted it all out!
 
Sounds like quite a palaver Charlie. How refreshing to see companies vying to outdo each other on service. Sounds like you have been made some very generous offers. It will be interesting to see who manages to deliver on the sweet words & good intentions and when, please keep us posted.:mute

The Americans are very good at customer service.
 
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Pelaj refunded AU$229 twice last week to my Visa card, so, I have had $458 returned. The remaining $330 is still due to me and apparently they have tried to return this via another merchant card facility company from the first two refunds and have encountered further problems. Since May 24th, when Pelaj requested my paypal account (which I dont have) I have had heard nothing further. Why they have refunded the $788 due in 3 different amounts, rather than a single transaction, and why they have tried to refund the $330 balance via a different merchant when the first refunds were processed without problems is beyond my understanding. I'm not in business here, retail or otherwise, so if anyone can explain this, I would be grateful.

A mate from UK, who is visiting me in a few weeks, is going to 'donate his RA 1.3 to me. Colin at ESS, who is also good mates with him, has very kindly agreed to replace this 'donated' gun with a brand new one, when his next order arrives from RA.

After over half a year without a 'functioning' BW gun, I frustratingly decided to bite the bullet and ordered a new 'Zulu' direct from Rob. This was delivered promptly, despite over-charged import duites by Thai Customs - that's MY luck, lately! Rob kindly agreed, as a good will jesture, to pay half of these duties and Im delighted with both the gun and good service from RA. Maybe there is a God after all!

As for the remaining $330 credit due from Pelaj and their offer of free replacement gun(s) referred to in their post above, only time will tell!
 
:DSounds like everyone is falling over themselves to help you Charlie. Restores your faith in human nature doesn't it:). Rob Allen is great and deserves his reputation for world class service. Sounds like Pelaj are trying to do the right thing too. As for Colin...wow, going beyond the call of duty there.

I've been thinking of splashing out on a decent spearo knife having managed to hang onto the same knife for several years now, Pelaj, RA & Sporasub are in the frame. Although the Omersub mini Laser USA looks good value.
 
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I've been thinking of splashing out on a decent spearo knife having managed to hang onto the same knife for several years now, Pelaj, RA & Sporasub are in the frame. Although the Omersub mini Laser USA looks good value.


I think that SurfnSpear has just got himself a new knife and if memory serves it looks like its been cast from metal forged in the deepest recesses of Hell itself. I can remember thinking what a fantastic bit of kit and how I ought to get one.
Give him a shout and I’m sure he’ll tell you more.
 
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:DSounds like everyone is falling over themselves to help you Charlie. Restores your faith in human nature doesn't it:). Rob Allen is great and deserves his reputation for world class service. Sounds like Pelaj are trying to do the right thing too. As for Colin...wow, going beyond the call of duty there.

I've been thinking of splashing out on a decent spearo knife having managed to hang onto the same knife for several years now, Pelaj, RA & Sporasub are in the frame. Although the Omersub mini Laser USA looks good value.


Mr. X, you're finally going to get rid of that pitted piece of metal salvaged from an ice pick that you call a knife?roflI love that omersub mini laser but for some reason they stopped selling them for a while (at least I couldn't get one in the US). Check out the dive knife from MAKO SPEARGUNS you may like it.
 
Mr. X;768426 Sounds like Pelaj are trying to do the right thing too.[/quote said:
I wish I could say I feel the same, Mr. X

You would think that Pelaj would want to put this matter behind them and settle this problem once and for all, by now, wouldn't you? I mean, it's been OVER 2 MONTHS since I returned the faulty gun to them and I still haven't been refunded the full purchase cost, as they promised!

I emailed Michael at Pelaj on May 29th offering both my UK and Thai bank account details for the remaining refund as well as suggesting a Western Union transfer - although, I still can't understand why they decided to refund the $788 due in 3 DIFFERENT amounts, rather than one transaction, or indeed, how they can refund 2 amounts of $229 to my credit card without a problem, but now claim they cannot refund the $330 balance to this same credit card or any other credit card in my name, as I have offered!?

I had not received a reply to my email of May 28th, so I sent another email on June 4th requesting a reply, I'm I still haven't heared further from them!

Does this sound like a company who ISN'T complacent about customer service, as they claim in their post above???? It sure doesn't to me! Perhaps, they are sufferring further "communication breakdowns?" But certainly not from my side!


Charlie :head
 
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Hi Charlie. I've lost track with where you are at with this. What have you got in the way of usable spearguns and how much are you still out of pocket on the whole thing?

[Thanks for the tips Podge & Alex ;)]
 
Hello Mr X

Sorry for the slow reply; been away hunting and chilling on an off-shore island for the last few days :) Ahhh, it's a hard life!

Well, have provided Pelaj with my bank details last week, for the final AU$330 outstanding. I'm assured by the owner that it will be forthcoming soon!?

A good mate from the UK arrived in Thailand last week (hence the trip away) and brought along his 'donated' second-hand R.A. 1.3, so I'm that's helped me out alot:friday

I will keep you informed, as and when. Thanks for your post. May all your placements be stoners!

Cheers,

Charlie

Oh, yesssssss, nearly forgot.... the vis. wasn't up to normal standards; we've had too much rain as the Monsoon seems to have come a little earlier this year. Nailed some nice Grouper and Red Snapper though.. for the pot
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I will keep you informed, as and when. Thanks for your post. May all your placements be stoners!...
:)Here's hoping;)

We had unusually great vis. last weekend. I had even taken the right size gun for the conditions - my 90cm Omer XXV. Unfortunately the fish could see me better than I could see them:D. I saw 3 bass around 3lb: one just after I had quietly entered the water and loaded up. Rather than take a hail-mary shot I decided to wait to see if I could draw it in - no dice, it shot off. The next one, came up from underneath my side as I snuck along the side of a reef - we were both rather surprised. It sped off as I waited for it to move further into scope -- no much chance of dragging the longer gun round on it. The last one I scared up as I swam up a deep kelp filled gulley on my way to another area -- caught totally by surprise. My favourite spot was entirely bereft of fish. Still a lovely dive (apart from a spot of sea sickness:yack) and a good work out. Upon reflection, perhaps that shorter 75 would have better for the fish I encountered:hmm
 
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Charlie,

Any improvement from Pelaj?

From personal experience my interactions with Rob and his marvelous railguns have all been good. RA is all I use or need.
 
:)Here's hoping;)

We had unusually great vis. last weekend. I had even taken the right size gun for the conditions - my 90cm Omer XXV. Unfortunately the fish could see me better than I could see them:D. I saw 3 bass around 3lb: one just after I had quietly entered the water and loaded up. Rather than take a hail-mary shot I decided to wait to see if I could draw it in - no dice, it shot off. The next one, came up from underneath my side as I snuck along the side of a reef - we were both rather surprised. It sped off as I waited for it to move further into scope -- no much chance of dragging the longer gun round on it. The last one I scared up as I swam up a deep kelp filled gulley on my way to another area -- caught totally by surprise. My favourite spot was entirely bereft of fish. Still a lovely dive (apart from a spot of sea sickness:yack) and a good work out. Upon reflection, perhaps that shorter 75 would have better for the fish I encountered:hmm

There's always another day, mate! And a good day is measured by the enjoyable time in the water, rather than the fish on yer stringer, eh?
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If you ever want to swap your 5mm for a .5 rasher and targeting grouper, snappers, etc instead of bass, for a week or two, you'd be a welcome guest, my friend
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