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increasing hypoxia tolerance - any ideas?

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samdive

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everyone I know turns around on a CW dive because they can't equalise any further.

I have never had a problem equalising, and I turn round because I know (or believe and am occasionly proved right) that if I do not, I will samba, or nearly samba, or BO....

I have been trying to get past this for some time with lots of CV training in the gym, static tables and growing dives gradually but am now kinda stuck

anyone got any bright ideas?
 
don't know if that's a bright idea, but here goes:

i would suggest, referring to the discussions about maximum statics without warm-ups, to only do max apnea training (not more than 2-3 times a week). this winter we changed our own training from easier/repetitive apneas to fewer max ones. and we both (me and my girlfriend) went right past our old pb's. after a lot of apnea training i don't think that co2 tables are so important anymore at all, but low o2 tolerance surely is. for cw and dyn i'd focus on increasing lactic acid tolerance. land based training is intervals and sprints, and gym (especially squats).

and, of course, for cw i'd spend a lot of time doing frc/empty lung dives plus some technique sessions.

hope that helps,

roland
 
thanks roland - I have always had a bit of an aversion to FRC dives... might have to bite the bullet I guess!

been doing interval training for about 2 months now and don't do nearly enough static training - hypercapnic or hypoxic....... but I do find hypercapnic tables loads easier than hypoxic so there's the clue!

S
 
sam,
which is the depth where you have this kind of problem? and how long your dives are?

is it possible that your problem is more something like lack of relaxation/ uncomfortable feeling, or maybe excessive packing, excessive breathing, too short a warm-up, or even a combination of those?
if you go through your warm-up and you try to change something (one thing at the time), maybe you will notice some difference in the way you end your dives.

last year, at the end of one dive i felt dizzy and confused, like i was going to black out. my buddy suggested i maybe breathed too much. since then my breathing pattern is a lot slower, and i never had that happening to me anymore.

well, just an idea.

cheers,
 
I also turn around in CW only because of oxygen concerns, never because of equalizing.

Once you get into this situation, there are two approaches to going deeper:
- Juggling of variables (produces fast, dramatic results)
- Hypoxic training (produces slow, gradual results within certain limits)

Juggling of variables includes:
- Modifying breathe-up (most likely switching to sub neutral breathing, very minimal amount of breathing, switching to a more relaxed breathing position, using a float to breath up, pack stretches for lung capacity, starting the dive with far more CO2 than before, etc)
- Modifying ballast amount and/or location (switching to mostly neck based ballast), optimizing ballast for fin stiffness and dive profile
- Optimizing dive profile (probably means sinking at 25-30m, aiming for 0.8-1.0m/s), optimizing monofin technique, and ascent speed & profile
- Possibly switching to either hands free equalizing or fluid goggles to allow extended arms during the descent
- Increasing cold tolerance to allow a thinner wetsuit, or better yet, no wetsuit or half a wetsuit (nothing on the legs to increase vasoconstriction)
- Increasing vasoconstriction by diving more often (four straight days of diving will do amazing things for vasoconstriction, but only if no cardio is done)
- Changing in-water warm up, or eliminating in-water warm up, depending on suit configuration, water temp and physiology
- Switching to mouth-fill equalizing at 25-30m to minimize wasted energy spent equalizing at depth
- Re-inhaling from mask on whole ascent
- Learning to relax better, both during breath-up, monofin kicking and sink phase
- Better, more efficient recovery breathing at end of dive (hook breathing or reducing number of recovery breaths with a hold)
- Purchase of a better or custom monofin to suit your style

Once those have been optimized, then, and only then, is hypoxic training the only way to progress. In my case, apnea hiking twice a week works well, but diving 4-5 days a week in cold water works even better--the problem in repeated diving is avoiding tendonitis in the feet, which is almost impossible. Another good exercise is power training using 'power bands', very cheap and effective for building fast twitch fibers.

I would say that the most important factors would be starting the dive with far more CO2, being extremely relaxed during the breathe-up, using mouth-fill equalizing, proper profile in terms on sink depth & speed, and using half a wetsuit or no wetsuit.

Note that if you use no wetsuit or half a suit, I still recommend using gloves and 'half-booties', because discomfort in the hands & feet from cold is not only unhealthy but prevents relaxation.
 
doing various training exercises might buy you a few metres. working on technique and preparation could give you 20m or even more.

when i was diving at my deepest last summer, i was doing no "training" at all, no statics, no dynamics, no apnea training, no aerobic exercise, nothing. all i did was dive twice a week, and worked on my technique, preparation, and diving strategy because i appreciated what an impact those things can have.

one of the things that made a really big difference for me was being able to reach deeper states of relaxation before the dive. simple as that. it's takes some practice though.

rather than thinking about improving tolerance to hypoxia, you should be thinking about not becoming hypoxic in the first place....technique, preparation, and diving strategy (..."juggling of variables" as Eric puts it).
 
thanks guys, esp eric. Lots of useful advice. I already do a lot of the things on your list and am pretty sure I have the right fin, mask, suit, weights now after a few years of trial and error - crucial for me, crucially lacking, that is - is the relaxation thing. 9 times out of 10, or even more often than that, when I am trying to do a deeper dive it is at SaltFree in between counting down everyone else's dive, making sure the ropes and scubies are in the right place, the O2 works, everyone has a leash and a scuba rescue strap, everyone has a safety diver.......... on the one hand I like diving deep there amongst friends and with all the safety we have but on the other, it is much easier to relax with someone else in charge - like Nice! but unfortunately can't afford the air fare to keep heading out there... will try this lot and let you know how it goes

S
 
eric - could you try and explain hook breathing - I THINK I do it but I could be wrong....
 
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