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Is cnf with a lanyard on the wrist possible?
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For me almost impossible. Once I even ripped of my mask with a stroke , where the lanyard cable took of my mask . Lucky it was the beginning of the dive.
Now I have it on my foot. Not ideal but ok.
Needed to change it from belt to foot since on the next German Championships this was one of the rules because of the counterbalance system.
Now I have it on my foot. Not ideal but ok.
Needed to change it from belt to foot since on the next German Championships this was one of the rules because of the counterbalance system.
It's certainly not ideal to have a lanyard, let allone to have one on the wrist when one needs the armstroke the most.
But I can manage, though I feel that in a personal record situation the lanyard add another 'could turnout bad' factor to the the CWnf dive.
But the 30M cwnf I did with it last year in Austria went fine and smoothly.
I think the type of lanyard makes a lot of difference. Mine is 1m long, plastic coated steel cable that is not too flexible, and a very smooth and lightweight carabiner. In the water it's not far from being nutral
I'm happy to let you guys try in Hemmoor, provided you won't loose it...
Love Peace and Water!
Kars.
But I can manage, though I feel that in a personal record situation the lanyard add another 'could turnout bad' factor to the the CWnf dive.
But the 30M cwnf I did with it last year in Austria went fine and smoothly.
I think the type of lanyard makes a lot of difference. Mine is 1m long, plastic coated steel cable that is not too flexible, and a very smooth and lightweight carabiner. In the water it's not far from being nutral
I'm happy to let you guys try in Hemmoor, provided you won't loose it...
Love Peace and Water!
Kars.
Lanyards and CNF don't marry. Not only do they probably add to the danger of a dive by introducing new possibilities for things to go wrong, but they spoil the most beautiful feature of this discipline: complete freedom from any attachments or appendages. So for me the answer would be 'impossible.'
Sebastian,
That is exactly the problem for the latest CW(NF) competition (Germany). You are NOT allowed to put it on your belt because of the couterbalance system(s) used.
The belt area was the least cumbersome alternative for nofins guys/girls in my opinion. But then again safety is even more important so we have to find a solution which fits our style and feeling the best and is in agreement with the safety system used at a specific event. This may be different from person to person.
Since I am a firm believer of safety systems that take out the scubadivers as a factor in competitions to protect THEM from possible risks/problems just because we like to go deep, I will adapt where needed.
An alternative that was mentioned to me was to build some kind of vest (like a weight vest) that can not slip up or down and has the lanyard attachement on the chest (front).
The idea sounds interesting, but besides from building this , the idea of having a vest on over a smoothskin makes drag/resistance wise no sence to me. So I stuck with the for me least irritating option : the foot.
That is exactly the problem for the latest CW(NF) competition (Germany). You are NOT allowed to put it on your belt because of the couterbalance system(s) used.
The belt area was the least cumbersome alternative for nofins guys/girls in my opinion. But then again safety is even more important so we have to find a solution which fits our style and feeling the best and is in agreement with the safety system used at a specific event. This may be different from person to person.
Since I am a firm believer of safety systems that take out the scubadivers as a factor in competitions to protect THEM from possible risks/problems just because we like to go deep, I will adapt where needed.
An alternative that was mentioned to me was to build some kind of vest (like a weight vest) that can not slip up or down and has the lanyard attachement on the chest (front).
The idea sounds interesting, but besides from building this , the idea of having a vest on over a smoothskin makes drag/resistance wise no sence to me. So I stuck with the for me least irritating option : the foot.
...we have international rules. a lanyardsytem on the chest is not allowed and it is "bullshit". you can not do a good performance wiht this. it is the same then a lanyard on the wrist.
yes, you have to see the relation. risk-safty-apnea...
if you want 100% safty, it is better we are watching tv...
sorry glenn,
have fun in hemmor!
wolle
cebaztian said:
yes, you have to see the relation. risk-safty-apnea...
if you want 100% safty, it is better we are watching tv...
sorry glenn,
have fun in hemmor!
wolle
No sorry needed, was not me ;-)
The chest option (or hand) I will definately NOT use . I will use the foot option like i mentioned in the post.
The chest option came from one of the Hemmoor organisers (Ulrich) , so better check with him and the rules before other athletes that got the same mail do start using it .
The mail i got (only the part relating to the chest option) was :
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1. The point of attachment of the Lanyard must be at the chest or higher
(speak nipple height). This will ensure that it is possible to get you
to the surface fast enough with the counter ballast system.
2.The belt may not slip downwards or upwards. The belt must be surely
fastened to the athlete. That could be guaranteed with shoulder straps
(for slipping downward) and a belt between your legs or an additional
belly strap, which prevents that the belt slips upwards. A chest belt
alone slips surely upward, if it does not restrict deeply inhaled.
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The final mail :
Hi Glenn
no if you have the lanyard at your hand or foot this is ok for us. Or you can use a belt which has the attachment point at the chest or higher and you can not slip out of this belt.
A belt around your belly is not allowed.
Regards,
Ulli
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The chest option (or hand) I will definately NOT use . I will use the foot option like i mentioned in the post.
The chest option came from one of the Hemmoor organisers (Ulrich) , so better check with him and the rules before other athletes that got the same mail do start using it .
The mail i got (only the part relating to the chest option) was :
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1. The point of attachment of the Lanyard must be at the chest or higher
(speak nipple height). This will ensure that it is possible to get you
to the surface fast enough with the counter ballast system.
2.The belt may not slip downwards or upwards. The belt must be surely
fastened to the athlete. That could be guaranteed with shoulder straps
(for slipping downward) and a belt between your legs or an additional
belly strap, which prevents that the belt slips upwards. A chest belt
alone slips surely upward, if it does not restrict deeply inhaled.
------
The final mail :
Hi Glenn
no if you have the lanyard at your hand or foot this is ok for us. Or you can use a belt which has the attachment point at the chest or higher and you can not slip out of this belt.
A belt around your belly is not allowed.
Regards,
Ulli
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Just a wacky idea as I have never used a lanyard:
What about having a lanyard around your neck on a collar. If you swam close to the rope it could be pretty short so less drag and collar around neck is "shrouded" by the head so less drag there too. Cheers Wes
What about having a lanyard around your neck on a collar. If you swam close to the rope it could be pretty short so less drag and collar around neck is "shrouded" by the head so less drag there too. Cheers Wes
Actually as I think about it being pulled up by a collar around my neck might be the best way. It would get me up quickly as there would be less drag. It would bring me up head first which would speed and ease medical attention. If the collar was designed properly there would be very minimal risk of strangulation/throat damage. Imagine being pulled up from the depths by your belt or foot or chest, that doesn't seem very good at all to me. Cheers Wes