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Misc vegetarianism info...for what it's worth

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Alrighty...recently some information has been brought to my attention that would cause me to be concerned about my newly-adopted vegetarian diet. I'm a freediver, and have recently given up all fowl, red meat, and pork. Occasionally, I will partake in fish, and more often than that in mollusks (yummm...oysters). It has been mentioned that there may be health issues to which a vegetarian freediver is more susceptible, which of course caused me to kind of freak out. I get my omega-3 fatty acids, creatine, B12, and proteins from supplements and food additives (i.e. spirulina, bee pollen, flax seed oil and meal, whey and soy protein powder, yada, yada). I also did some research today, by perusing some scholarly articles. Though nothing was found specifically addressing breath-hold athletes, the following was interesting, nonetheless:

The citation for the following info is
Barr, S. & Rideout, C. (2004). Nutritional considerations for vegetarian athletes. Nutrition 20. p. 696-704. Retrieved from Google Scholar on July 18, 2008.

* Iron occurs as heme and non-heme. It is more readily absorbed by the body when it occurs as heme, and this form "represents about 40% of the iron in meat, fish, and poultry" (p. 698). Other than this, the information is conflicting: some research indicates "non-anemic iron deficiency" causes impaired performance, and other research doesn't.

* Exercise that is intense and lengthy can lead to an overabundance of free radicals, which can cause tissue stress (though once again there are conflicting research results...depending on your source). It appears that since vegetarians often supplement, that these diets contain "higher amounts of...vitamin E, vitamin C, and B-carotene" (p. 699). This theoretically means that vegetarians may have better protection against said oxidative stress caused by the aforementioned free radicals.

* Though long-term studies hadn't at the time of this publication been done with vegetarians and athletic performance, here are the summarized findings of Barr and Rideout: athletic performance is well-supported in vegetarian diets which are supplemented appropriately; "plant and animal protein sources appear to provide equivalent support to athletic training and performance" (p. 702); athletic endurance can be impaired by non-anemic iron deficiency, which occurs more often in vegetarian athletes.

What does all this mean? Well, certain researchers believe that the nutrients available in an omnivorous diet aid elite athletes in performance and/or recovery. Other researchers believe that by taking the appropriate supplements, a vegetarian athlete is at no disadvantage to their meat-eating counterparts. Those who choose to eat some animal protein (like me...yummm, oysters) have a bit of both worlds.

In short, there has been no definitive academic research (at least not in my studies, which entailed a thorough search of all scholarly articles referencing athleticism and vegetarianism from 1972-present) on the effects of vegetarianism and breath-hold diving. I guess in the end, we all have to just do what works for ourselves. But, honestly, if someone were to provide proof to me that eating a rare slab of beef would improve my dives at exponential rates--then I'd say, "Bring me a knife and some steak sauce...pronto!"
 
First; my english isn´t good enough to fully understand every word of your posting. I have to read it again, with a dictionary by my side, tomorrow or on sunday.


But; I´m an ovo-lacto-vegetarian since November 2000. That means, I don´t eat any sort of animal. No meat, no pork, no chicken, no fish, and so on. But I do eat eggs and products with milk.
At a freediving course I neither was better or less good than other freedivers with my background (age, fitness-level, time they were freediving).
 
Largely because my body just seems to be better because of it, and partly as a sort of experiment, I have been following a strict vegan diet for the last 9 months or so. Specifically using the principles of the Thrive Diet as outlined by Brendan Brazier. Can't say I've actually copied a recipie straight, but I have adapted and taken on board the concepts and built them into my daily eating. The diet is properly balanced through the use of proper supplements - flax, hemp, algae etc

I think that my performance has improved as a result. Others may put it down to the diet being highly alkaline, rather than being vegan per se. I do think that I recover faster and better as a vegan than as an omnivore.

Have others also experimented with vegan diets? What about a highly alkaline diet?
 
[ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pescetarian]Pescetarianism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

Interesting concept. Hypothetically, I'd choose that, with some occasional lapses (steak, sausage, pizza), and probably occasional veggie-only fasts for a few days. I really do like seafoods, can't imagine not eating them at all.
 
An alkaline diet is generally less illness induced.An acidic diet will definately cause more illnes as it generally creates higher mucus production thereby reducing nutrient uptake slow down elimination create an environ for arthritis and stones both kidney and gall and create and environ for candida which is another ball of trouble.it's not an idea or thought it's fact check it out.All the best in health DeeDee
 
Wow! Thanks again to everyone with experience in this. It's hard enough to be a vegetarian in the deep South, where meat is the main course for every single meal. Oh yeah, and it's usually smothered, covered, and/or fried! I'm going to have to check out the book you mentioned, Stuart, "Thrive Diet." Keep the posts and opinions coming, please.
 
Brendan's book and story is all the more useful and pertinant to freedivers becuase he is a professional Ironman Triathlete. I heartily reccomend the book to anyone who is into nutrition, vegan or not. I have the hardback edition, but I think a new paper back one has just come out.
 
This is the best supplement I have found that anyone can have in their diet, And perfect for vegetarians, though I am sure it will benefit anyone greatly, athlete or not. It was my mum who got me into growing and juicing wheatgrass and although I haven't been juicing it for long can already feel the benefits. (increased energy levels mostly)

1oz of wheatgrass juice is said to contain the same amount of nutrients as 2.5 lbs of green vegetables. (Raw green veggies that is!)

Wheatgrass For Life - Wheatgrass Products, Wheatgrass Tablets and Powders, Wheatgrass Juicers, Wheatgrass Seeds
Wheatgrass juice information - what can wheatgrass do for you?

Enjoy. :)
 
If you're eating fish & molluscs it's not a vegetarian diet, so you're unlikely to suffer the deficiences associated with not eating meat. Sounds like a very healthy diet. Dairy foods & eggs also offer much of the same nutrition as meat, albeit with more fat sometimes. A vegetarian/vegan diet can significantly lower your cholesterol (cholestrol is present in animal based foods but not vegan foods). BTW Fish contains cholesterol as well as Omega-3 fatty acids.

I read a good book some years ago by three nutritionists based in Seattle. They are vegetarians. They made a good science-based case for vegetarian diet but there are some things that they did to cover gaps than can occur in nutrition. I don't recall all the details but they recommended taking something called Blackstrap Molasses (all the good stuff taken out of sugar to make white sugar) and you need to combine some foods (pair them up usually) to get a complete range of amino acids similar to that provided by meat. They did not recommend it for children.

Re. soy protein, there are some interesting soy products which are low in fat, high in protein and relatively inexpensive. But some years ago I read than 40% of soy produced in the USA was genetically modified. Perhaps only/mainly for animal feed? However, the people that I know that eat a lot of soy would be the last to want to eat GM.

I'd be interested to hear more about the acid/alkali diets mentioned above. It had occurred to me that acidity/alkalinity might have a significant affect on metabolism but this is the first I have heard of diets based around it.
 
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Thanks Pretzel and Mr. X! I actually did my first double shot of wheatgrass juice this morning...and I felt wonderful afterward! Yeah, I have fish about once a week...but that's it. I'm in Ft Lauderdale now, taking the FIT Level III course, and I've actually been quite ill. Wonder if protein could help? I don't have my protein powder with me here at the hotel...but have been eating lots of beans. Anywho...I digress. Hope to hear what others do with their diets, if they have eliminated entire foods.
 
I took some time away from the water this season and now feel as though I shouldn't have - I feel like a fish out of water (pun intended)

I removed all meat from my diet earlier this year due to getting sick two different times from meat that was supposedly safe from a local grocery store. I never realized til finding this thread what to call the kind of diet I consume - Pescetarianism - now I know.
 
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