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Natalia Molchanova Sets World Record in Kalamata

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Though I have the greatest respect for this daring and awesome feat, I do think this was not her prettiest dive, but indeed on of her closest call dives in terms of being on the edge of a red card. I actually believe she had a small BO, but thanks to the buoyancy and calm water did not have her airways fully dipped. When the Samba rule was cancelled the 'intermediate black out' rule was instituted.

Please can an AIDA judge can explain why and how this rule works in detail, so I may explain it correctly to novices.
 

While we wait for a judge, maybe have a look at 3.1.14.2 Kars: http://www.aidainternational.org/do...ida-competition-regulations-12-0-eng/download

I am assuming you are referring to Post-Blackout Mechanical Movements? It explains in the rules what they are but otherwise the rule is subjective as far as I know and it states in the rule that if there is doubt then the decision has to be in favor of the athlete.

A clear BO is obviously a DQ.

Hope this helps.
 
Very close, but still a white card in my opinion. The CNF women's WR keeps getting deeper!

I suspect the large variance between the women's and men's WR depths is mainly due to physiological differences in terms of upper body strength.

Interestingly, I believe that with a nose clip off, you can even dip / submerge your mouth and still be deemed to have control over your airway, through the nasal passages!
 

Or maybe they are a bit too close in CWT... what's the FIM difference, don't remember by heart
 
For me it was the clearest obvoius samba i have seen for long that was not disqualited, had it been another not know athlete and not that deep dive i bet it would have been disqualified for sure!

Really bad for the trustworthiness of an organization saying that blackout samba loss of motoric control is automatic disqualification. Now it is more of a case to case judgement and not a clearly defined rule. You can clearly see that the safety divers are reacting but hesitating to grab the athlete and i guess who is the athlete is making the biggest difference.
 
Poseidon,

The new trend is to wait for the athlete to disqualify him/her selves, in other words wait until they dipped their airways. I agree with that.

In the past we had the samba rule, and that helped to assure records looked good on camera. Now samba's are allowed we may occasionally have a more rough looking record.
 

Kars you are right. The dipped airway policy is more defined and clear than a more "case to case" judgment if it is a samba or not and how bad in that case because that would only lead to lenghy debates and disputes and alot of protests and so on at the competition.

At least this makes it very defined and clear if the airway was dipped under or not.
 
It's true that sometimes some decisions have done lot of noises, because the athlete was in clear samba and they gave white card, the fact that the athlete disqualify himself withouth making the protocol or put his airways under the water is an objective method but at the same time if you surface clean and a wave goes on your face you get a DQ and for me is a nonsense. So was better with the old rule that the judge have the power to gave a DQ if the athlete has a clear samba.
BTW even in my lttle opinion natalia had a clear samba.
 
For the record, some world-class divers are reported to "samba" on "almost every deep dive".

Samba isn't black out. Apparently, some divers are VERY good at training to dive-to-samba.

As a competitor, I'd suggest that it's best to take subjectivity out of it - so if the diver can complete the surface protocol within :15 seconds - I'd give it a white card and like it that way.

If the airway dips or you can't complete the protocol in time... Red card. Clean and simple.

Seems pretty clear to me.

I honesty believe that an argument could be easily made that Natalia is the best Freediver of all time. All disciplines, pool and depth, dozens of WR's and she is not in her 20's.

Incredible athlete, training, focus and determination. This performance isn't as ridiculously clean as some others... But I don't think it takes anything away from her.

In fact, as a matter of opinion, I think that Natalia, Guillaume, Alexei, etc. practice simple / easy LOOKING SPs where you KNOW that after 3.5 - 4 mins underwater they are running low on O2.
 
I too have the highest respect for Natalia. She truly competes with herself, and even though she did not need to do a WR to assure winning the WC, she never the less choose to risk that title and go further then her own WR. That is courage and good sportsmanship in my book.

Maybe it's just me who needs to get more used to shaky surface protocol after a World record performance. Maybe it feels a bit too much like luck (favourable weather and sea), but then again luck makes the experience much more interesting.
 
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