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New AIDA rules?

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osusim

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As far as I remember new AIDA rules were expected for the season of year 2009. Any ideas?
 
I heard they were supposed to be voted on in December but I have not heard anything about them yet. Would be nice if we can start the new year with the new rules, before the first round of comps in 2009.

Cheers,
Ben
 
I rather have improved rules

I hope that some of Stig´s proposed rules get in, or at least it´s spirit.

The grabbing rule, the surface breaching/swimming rule ...

Love, Courage and Water,

Kars
 
They were sent out to the nationals for voting yesterday. I'm not sure if they are meant to be shared publically or not but maybe someone who knows can post them if they are.

Sam
 
Any Aida member has the right to see the suggestion for new rules.
I would imagine.
Contact your national board.

The document is getting thicker, quite daunting read.
Things are slowly being adjusted, no major changes.

Ok with 90 cm pools for dyn
No sta at depth.
Some penalty changes so they more reflect the "crime".
1.50 lanyards.

Same detailed description of what a post mechanical movement is.
But still vague on description of SP. What the "to" means in SP "to the judge" measn is still a subjective thing.

And that Aida nationals are no longer in control of national competitions since it says in the proposed rules that all safety divers must be approved by the international board.
(or something like that).

Sebastian

PS And Winram has a new section for himself in the rules, he will have to wait two years before he can become Norwegian
 
He is welcome to become a Norwegian. (As long as he keeps away of my DNF-records:naughty)
So, here in Norway we have gotten 6 new judges and we were hoping to have some national competitions. Will the new rules make this difficult for us?
 
And it looks like that a rebreather is allowed now in NoLimits

- kimmo
 
I would like them to keep static on the bottom. Static on the bottom is the most impressive for spectators, at least when it is shown in video. When you are floating at the surface, people always seem to think you are breathing somehow. Only on the bottom do they understand that there is no way you can breathe down there.
 
cebaztian said:
And that Aida nationals are no longer in control of national competitions since it says in the proposed rules that all safety divers must be approved by the international board.
(or something like that).
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not only safety but judges of course. I wonder how AIDA Int will do it. May be by cancellation of some competition results several years later :t
 
Norway. "National competition" usually means an Aida ranked national competition,and requires 2 level E judges.
Is that e-judges you have six of. If so, lovely,we would like our neighbour to have more competitions (ranked or unranked).

No, I found nothing in the rules that Aida internationla is taking over selection of judges for national comps, only the right to approve safety divers(which I still hope is a missprint). Aida does not need weak nationals without either power or responsability.

Yes static in tanks at bottom is spectacular. But the aida rules is not writen to make it an audience sport (on the contrary).

Sebastian
 
efattah said:
I would like them to keep static on the bottom.
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I do not quite understand. Was there ever any such discipline in past under AIDA rules? I never heard about it. Or what exactly is changing in the rules here now? Is the point of it that it was not specified whether the competitor can use weights, and could do the static at the bottom of the pool, using so the effect of higher PaO2 in depth (though increasing the risk of BO during/after surfacing)? Did anyone ever in the past use the lapse of the depth specifition in the rules for setting a record, or competing in STA in depth instead on surface? Or what exactly is the motivation behind the rule change?

And Eric why would you like to keep the rule out? What would prevent you doing STA for demonstration to spectators in depth? The rules certainly do not limit any shows, but are aimed to unify conditions for competitions and records. Or did you plan creating a STA record in depth?
 
There is some small mistakes that will be corrected directly.

3.1.13. the word "re-breathing" will be taken out.

4.2.1. .....All safety freedivers must be approved and validated by AIDA International before the event. Will be changed to "All safety freedivers must be approved and validated by the AIDA Judge at the site before the event".

The AIDA Board will look closer into this and will be the one to make the final wording.

Let me know if you find other corrections.

/B
 
Trux,

In the past you could do static on the bottom if you wanted to. Andy LeSauce did all his world records in static on the bottom, including his last record of 7'35". Stepanek's 8'06" was the first modern day static record that was done on the surface.

I did some statics on the bottom in early competitions many years ago. However with a wetsuit & packing you need tons of weight. However for FRC static you don't need hardly any weight.

I always thought the option of doing it on the bottom would reward the creative diver. Doing static on the bottom can you give you a slight advantage due to collapsed lung volume (=lower heart rate, less stress). However, it creates higher CO2 which is hard to deal with. Nonetheless only Andy LeSauce seemed to solve those problems advantageously. He was a true technician in static, far ahead of his time.

Edit: the longest static I did on the bottom was a 6'05" in 2003. I used a huge weight belt + a 7kg sporasub harness. The contractions started at 3'30" because of the pressure! It was horrible!
 
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Thanks, Eric, that's really interesting information. I did not know Andy (or others) did his static records at bottom, although Andy's training partner was briefly member of our club in Lyon and trained with us (he left quickly though, because he could not accept the safety policies of our club - he was used to train till samba each time, which is not accepted in our club). Do you know btw, how deep Andy's records were done?

And another question: do you believe that we'll see once an FRC diver being able to compete with packers in STA?

EDIT: you can still take part on the Dubai competition, which is done in depth, and nicely rewarded
 
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I saw a video of Andy LeSauce's 7'35" and it was around 2m of depth.

So far my best FRC static is 6'24", compared to 8'20" with packing (2004), with the main difference that doing the FRC 6'24" was totally blissful and wonderfully easy and relaxing, vs. a horrendously painful 8'20" with packing. According to my calculations, you lose about 2 minutes on FRC static, which puts the limit around 8'12" if you consider Tom Sietas 10'12" with packing. However I think Tom can do way over 10'12", maybe 11+, which would mean 9+ on FRC.

I'm hoping to make 7'00" FRC this year (I ain't no Tom Sietas!)

The big difference for FRC static is:
- Much lower heart rate due to less pressure on the heart
- Much easier to resist the contractions due to the empty lungs --> leads to even lower heart rate

Seb Murat could do 200m FRC dynamic years ago, and although I've done 100m FRC dynamic repeats with 3'00" rest, I have never tried a full max.

I guess the point is that an FRC diver could compete at a high level in static, dynamic, CW, and CNF, but beating the best in the world (who use packing) would be difficult.
 
I can't see how people can pack and hold their breath for static, it's way to uncomfortable for me. Who wants an extra two minutes of pain anyway, two and a half minutes of contractions for me is enough :blackeye?
 
Back to rules ...
1. What does mean "the organization"? Safeties in other zones? More clear words must be use.

2. Look at the photo. An athlete formally surfaced outside his zone. Is it DQ? (in real situation the athlete was also helped by safeties after surfacing, I just use the photo for fast presentation).

3. An athlete accidentally swim out of his/her competition zone and touch another athlete. So, possibilities are:
- both athletes have to be DQed (according to the rules)
- the touched athlete not satisfied by own result and will protest for reply
- the touched athlete satisfied by own result and will ignore hider
 

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Have these rules been voted "IN" yet? In particular:
"4.2.1. All safety freedivers must be approved and validated by the AIDA Judge at the site before the event"

Will there be any other safety related changes?
Thanks
 
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