New CMAS WR

[Goran Colak]

In Croatia, Split, this weekend was dynamic championship, and Karla Fabrio has done new CMAS world record with stunning 196,30m. Really impressive dive! We had other nice results to, Lidija Lijic with 163,44m...

Davor Franicevic did sprinting 174m in 1:44min, and Nikola Storga with strong 162m. Trying to save mans pride I try CMAS WR to, did 203,20m with divetime of 3:15min but I was late on surface protocol. On second dive I did easy 184 for first place.

Here are the results:

1 Karla Fabrio 196,30m
2 Lidija Lijic 163,44m
3 Helena Serdarevic 150m

1 Goran Colak 184,02m
2 Davor Franicevic 174,56m
3 Nikola Storga 162,17m

 

[island_sands]

impressive results Goran! well done mate

 

[pehtran]

Congratulations to Karla, Goran and all the others for super results!
Miha

 

[BennyB]

That is huge! Well done everyone, and bad luck Goran on the 203m, what a huge effort.

Cheers,
Ben

 

[jimdoe2you]

Excellent job! Congratulations Goran!!! :friday

 

[trux]

Congratulation to all those amazing performances. Goran, it's really a pity for the DQ after doing the WR performance!

On the other hand I wonder if it would be accepted as CMAS WR even if you did the surface protocol in time. AFAIK, CMAS did not abolish yet the rule about disqualifying all freedivers who participated on an AIDA competition for the same discipline in that season. And since I see you competed at some AIDA events, I am afraid CMAS would not certify the record anyway. Well, national CMAS branches may have different rules (for example the French CMAS branch recognizes AIDA, and won't disqualify anyone for that reason), so it could be recognized as a national record, but I am not sure about the world record. Or does the rule apply only at the international championships?

 

[Goran Colak]

Well the rule is not clear at all, like most of CMAS rules to be honest. One can compete for other organizations but not in disciplines that are common with CMAS, and that are DYN and JB. That goes for one year, so if you compete in DYN for AIDA in 2007 you are banned from CMAS competitions for that year. But it is all up to CMAS committee, and their's interpretation of the rule. Women's WR, before this, is being held by a girl that have competed at AIDA competitions (same discipline) in that year. But I did not compete in AIDA competition this year, just to be sure i will be able to compete at European championship in Turkey this year. Not that I prefer CMAS over AIDA, quite the opposite but in Croatia one can actually gain something by competing at CMAS championship, so I decide that I will do DYN for CMAS and all other disciplines for AIDA. Not a popular move, I know, but I had no choice.

 

[SEDATE]

Congratulations Goran!!!

 

[trux]

Well the rule is not clear at all, like most of CMAS rules to be honest. One can compete for other organizations but not in disciplines that are common with CMAS, and that are DYN and JB. That goes for one year, so if you compete in DYN for AIDA in 2007 you are banned from CMAS competitions for that year. But it is all up to CMAS committee, and their's interpretation of the rule. Women's WR, before this, is being held by a girl that have competed at AIDA competitions (same discipline) in that year. But I did not compete in AIDA competition this year, just to be sure i will be able to compete at European championship in Turkey this year. Not that I prefer CMAS over AIDA, quite the opposite but in Croatia one can actually gain something by competing at CMAS championship, so I decide that I will do DYN for CMAS and all other disciplines for AIDA. Not a popular move, I know, but I had no choice.

Yes, that's correct. And in France and some other lands the situation is similar - many freedivers avoid AIDA competitions for the same reason. Although the national federation does not care about any AIDA competitions, they could not participate on international CMAS events. And as you tell, unlike with AIDA, you can gain some prizes and financial/material/logistic support from CMAS, so it is rather comprehensible.

I knew you participated this year on the AIDA competition in Rab, but I did see that it was just depth disciplines. I looked at it closer, and see now there was indeed no conflict with CMAS rules.

As for the former women's DYN record - do you mean the 195,02 m by Natalia Babich done during the World Championship 2007? Did really Natalia Babich compete in DYN on some AIDA competitions in 2007? I would be quite surprised, because on the very same championship, there were several disqualifications for the very same reason (among others Christophe Bruel from the French team). Well, the disqualification apply only to countries which adhere to CMAS, so if there were no CMAS federation in Russia, indeed she could not be disqualified for participating on an AIDA competition. I thought though that Russia is a member of CMAS.

 

[Goran Colak]

Well you don't have to tell me about that disqualifications in Bari last year, because I was one of them along with Karla, and we both miss chance for medal. Natalia did compete in AIDA competition that year, some Russian competition, I don't know details any more, but it's a fact. Just her result was not put on AIDA competition list and the CMAS guys missed her. Some people find that competition online but when news spreed around all that vanish in thin air. I think Turkey did protest then because they will then have gold and WR but I don't know what happened since. And to be honest I don't care, girl did compete like me and everyone will do at her place. She did not get baned and she competed, CMAS mistake end of story. And yes Russia is a member of CMAS.

 

[spaghetti]

ok well done Karla and Goran. I have no words for the Cmas/Aida issue, that's not right indeed.

Meanwhile a new CMAS World Record in Men's dynamic has been set.
Italian national champion Michele Tomasi did his clean 209 meters in Rome on June 1st 2008.

That's a pretty good improvement from Michele's former PB (and former Cmas Wr) which was 200 meters. :friday

 

[azapa]

from someone new to the sport it is pretty pathetic to see the division and arguments between to standards bodies. It's not like it's such a big sport that one can be picky. I hope this becomes an EX problem soon. I have no idea who is at fault but the two parties sitting down over a beer should be able to settle the differences?

Go Goran! well done on the results and report.

 

[mgm]

Hi Goran
congratulation to you and all the other athletes!!! That are impressive performances. Never mind under which organisation. That is just great sport!
If you go to the CMAS European championship will you compete as well in speed apnea? what is your experience with that discipline?
Regards
Martin

 

[Goran Colak]

Well speed apnea, one more great idea from CMAS... I don't know what to say abut that, if I will be forced then I'll compete but otherwise no. This is even worse then Jump Blue, I don't know who came up with this idea but it's just, well sorry but stupid.
And I think we will see a lot of not pretty scenes in that discipline.

 

[trux]

Well, this discipline is designed more for finswimmers than for freedivers. The 50m speed apnea is a very common discipline and it offers a considerable advantage vs. surface sprint - the record is 14.04s vs 15.20s. However, many of the finswimmers are able to pull 100m, so would like to push into this discipline too, where the surface record is 34.79s. The WR for 100m immersion (with a small tank) is 31.52s, so they certainly hope it could be challenged on apnea.

Although the fears about safety are well placed, the discipline is on the WCh just for testing, and I think it is worth of it. If it turns out that it is indeed too dangerous, it won't be accepted.

The finswimming and freediving words are quite separate - I saw it on the French Championship few weeks ago - quite different philosophies, different technique, different public, and very few people active in both areas in the same time (if any at all). So do not think about the 100m apnea as a freediving discipline. It is one for finswimmers.

Results from Records du Monde - All Finswimming - Toute la Nage avec Palme(s) en France et dans le Monde

 

[Goran Colak]

I could not agree more trux, but this is freediving not finswimming. You can't mix that, it's completely different sports... like soccer and handball... I think it's a mistake, but I also know every finswimmer will be happy to take a free medal at Euro championship so...

 

[trux]

I could not agree more trux, but this is freediving not finswimming.

Are you sure? I spoke with the French representation trainer and he told me finswimmers were training for that discipline, not freedivers.

EDIT: CMAS Championships are always for all underwater sports (freediving, finswimming, orienteering, UW hockey, ...). Is this one an exception?

 

[samdive]

just out of interest - what is the CMAS surface protocol?

 

[mgm]

EDIT: CMAS Championships are always for all underwater sports (freediving, finswimming, orienteering, UW hockey, ...). Is this one an exception?

Yes seems like.
The FS-European championship will be held from 21st till 23rd July in Eger

 

[trux]

just out of interest - what is the CMAS surface protocol?

It is basically the same, but there are some differences:

1. Controlled samba is not allowed, so will lead to a disqualification. You can certainly imagine that there are huge differences among individual judges for considering what is a samba and what not.
2. The rule states you have to remove your mask and/or nose clip. On the French Championship I then saw several freedivers who removed just one of them and were not disqualified, hence the "or" seems to be important in the rules.
3. I did not verify the CMAS rules for this, but was surprised seeing several freedivers reversing the order of the tasks during the SP - showing and telling OK, and removing the mask only then. They were still confirmed.