Nimes: 156m DYN with an UW rugby intermezzo

[trux]

I just found a hilarious video from the competition in Nimes, where I also participated, but was not aware of the funny incident.

It's a guy who for some strange reason turns on his back, arcing, and releasing bubbles when being somewhere around 120m. Understandingly the safety diver want to intercept him and starts pulling him up. To his surprise, the competitor fights back, continues his dive, and finishes with 156.

It is not entirely clear to me whether it was Christian Charras, who finished 3rd in DYN, or another guy (Emanuel ?) who was disqualified and does not figure so in the Freedive Central results. I am trying to find out on the Esprit Apnée forum.

The safety divers were excellent, BTW.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SD7SM-gRkJo"]YouTube - manu sur un dynamique a nimes d'anthologie 156m[/ame]

 

[nostres]

That's funny indeed but looks like he did it for the camera to look cool. If he planned this then he should have prepared his safety diver. Most likely though, he did it spontaneously when he figured "I feel good and strong" on this 120m...

 

[chrismar]

Bloody showy French...

I bet that comes as a shock as your posing is interrupted so rudely and unexpectedly

 

[trux]

OK, so I found out - it was Emmanuel Turlin, and was indeed disqualified. Stupid behaviour, because he could have been easily 3rd in DYN, and likely 3rd in overall ranking too.

 

[rxcnc2]

It's not the first time that someone flips around to swim DYN upside down in a competition, I saw Ilaria Molinari do that last year in Lignano. She swam beautifully and no one rushed to her "safety". Turin was looking quite ok at least from the video, so I find it strange that the safety diver wanted to "rescue" him. There is no rule about swimming position, and I don't think that just being touched underwater by a safety diver constitutes a reason for disqualification if you are not pulled out for safety reasons. Neither being "showy". So overall I am curious as to why he was DQ - and had I been him I would have filed against it.

If something beats me in this video, is how inefficient he is. I counted 26 strokes to cover 50m with a monofin! If he improves his technique, he should become a very serious competitor.

 

[trux]

Yes, I agree that it is not forbidden, but I think it would have been wise telling the safety about the possibility in advance. He released quite a lot of bubbles just prior starting to turn on his side and then on the back - I am not really surprised the safety diver acted as he did. I think I'd do the same if I was not told about it in advance if I was in the safetie's place. I do not know what the disqualification was for exactly, but certainly not for the position alone.

 

[Goran Colak]

If this competition was done under AIDA rules, then this athlete was disqualified wrong. He must receive a white card, or in worst case scenario he must win a protest after the red one.

 

[trux]

Yes, it was an AIDA competition, but I really do not know what he was disqualified for.

 

[nostres]

Yes, it was an AIDA competition, but I really do not know what he was disqualified for.

Because he was touched by a safety probably

 

[trux]

Because he was touched by a safety probably

Goran tells, it is not a reason for a disqualification. I'd need to review the rules to see whether it is the case or not. Under FFESSM I know it would be disqualificative anyway, but am not sure whether it is the case under AIDA rules. At least in statics, there is no problem being touched as long as you are underwater, but only after the surfacing. I guess it is the same with dynamics, but am lazy to go reading the rules again.

 

[osusim]

If this competition was done under AIDA rules, then this athlete was disqualified wrong. He must receive a white card, or in worst case scenario he must win a protest after the red one.

Rather has a right for restart. Clear safety's fault but red card first.

 

[gingko]

He was disqualified because he had immersed his airways beyond the 1,50m of the wall... not because of the safety.

AIDA rules v12 (2009.01.14 AIDA TC/PV) :
6.1.12
The start must be done in the water, with the athlete’s airway immersed within 1.5m of the wall; otherwise
the athlete will be disqualified.

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[rxcnc2]

That is a much more solid reason.

 

[gingko]

It's not the first time that someone flips around to swim DYN upside down in a competition, I saw Ilaria Molinari do that last year in Lignano. She swam beautifully and no one rushed to her "safety"...

You can watch Ilaria upside-down on this video (AIDA - DYN - PART 1 @ 35'48") : Europe Evolution Cup - Video AIDA DYN

Nice style for end-up... :inlove
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[efattah]

If the safety touches you, you are disqualified automatically without possibility for protest. It makes no difference if there was a good reason or not. This happened to Herbert after static once. A safety diver he didn't even know touched him before he got the white card, to congratulate him. Result = RED CARD.

In the case of this video, the diver would have been immediately disqualified when the safety touched him. Maybe he was also disqualified for another reason.

I don't agree with the rule, but that's how it is enforced.

 

[gingko]

If the safety touches you, you are disqualified automatically without possibility for protest.

I've never read that point in the rules of DYN...

I agree that point during the protocole (the 30sec after the end of the perf').
For example :
[B]5.2.3[/B]
[...] However, as soon as the performance has ended (when the nose and/or mouth have emerged), the partner is no longer authorized to touch the athlete. He/she is only permitted to orally coach the athlete at a low voice. If not, the athlete will be disqualified.

In CWT/CNF/FIM, nobody can touch the athlete. But I read nothing like that in DYN...

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[Goran Colak]

I believe you are wring Eric.

First of all, if safety touches you after performance, you receive a red card, but if that was official safety arranged to you by organizator, and if you are touched intentionally without any right reson then you can and you will win protest! If that safety was your own safety then you can not protest.

In other hand in DYN is the same thing plus, i believe that you can be tuched underwather by safety and that's OK, if you are ok and continue your dive, and complete SP after diving out.

 

[azapa]

from an eternal safety divers point of view (mine) athletes should give the safety team a break when they can by not doing stuff out of the standard announced dive.

it's quite a responsibility safetying, and the sessions are always longer than the athletes (hours instead of minutes) and some times it gets stressful, boring, dangerous, cold, monotonous, in no certain order or combination.

be it or not a red card, athletes should not abuse safety divers good will and role. It's a tough call to grab an athelete and no safety ever wants to make an error, its the worst thing than can happen.

So: divers, be nice and do your job nice and simple, and we'll do ours just as well!

 

[rxcnc2]

First of all, I think it has been established that the real reason for DQ was the airways at start. As quoted by Gingko there is a clear article about that in the rules and regulations and that case occurs relatively often at competitions.

About touches: article 6.1.7 states that, if your coach/partner is following your performance swimming alongside with you and touches you after OT and before the judges have given their cards, you would be DQ. This would have been another reason, IF that safety diver had been Turin's partner. I think he wasn't right?
Note this DYN rule is different from STA, where your partner is allowed you to touch anytime as long as you airways are immersed.

About the statements by Eric and Goran:
There is article 3.1.18, which states that nobody (neither your partner nor the official safety diver) can touch after your airways emerge, in any discipline, until the judges show their cards.
This is what happened to Tom Sietas at his first 10'12 STA result, and in the case mentioned by Eric, but it is not what happened here.
I also note that there is no mention that if this happens, you can protest much less win.