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Not good, as you say, Martyn.
Once commercial interests get involved, and big money, no doubt the exploitation could spiral out of control, with the use of trawlers to maximise catches, and as we know, killing and throwing back a large part of the catch, or using it for other things, even fertiliser. Unfortunately, the emphasis in recent years on eating healthily by eating more fish, as opposed to e.g. red meat, and the need to intake Omega 3 oils etc, has probably led to the increase in demand.
The only hope we can have is that governments will regulate in favour of sustainable fishing methods. One positive point is that line caught fish command a premium, because they are likely to be in better condition. However, in the general scheme of things, I suppose this probably represents a relatively small part of the revenues involved.
Once commercial interests get involved, and big money, no doubt the exploitation could spiral out of control, with the use of trawlers to maximise catches, and as we know, killing and throwing back a large part of the catch, or using it for other things, even fertiliser. Unfortunately, the emphasis in recent years on eating healthily by eating more fish, as opposed to e.g. red meat, and the need to intake Omega 3 oils etc, has probably led to the increase in demand.
The only hope we can have is that governments will regulate in favour of sustainable fishing methods. One positive point is that line caught fish command a premium, because they are likely to be in better condition. However, in the general scheme of things, I suppose this probably represents a relatively small part of the revenues involved.
The experts were wrong: cod stocks are up
"The experts" are beginning to sound like a combination of Chicken Little ("the sky is falling") and "the boy who cried wolf". Around this time last year we discussed cod stocks. The EU quota was set much higher than experts advised (in fact they wanted to stop cod fishing for the year). There was a big fuss. In fact the quota was set to half of the entire cod population, as measured/estimated by the experts. With by-catch & illegal fishing -- apparently that means pretty much the entire population. So, this year, I was waiting to hear what the result was (the end of British cod fishing perhaps). Well, I finally hear the a report last week. Cod stocks are up (according to experts), supposedly due to the quotas
It is good err on the side of caution but science is supposed to be factual. Why would anyone believe the "experts" now? As with climate change, they have a vested interest in scare mongering (more research grants). Also, why would you trust the EU to manage fish stocks when they ignored the experts (and why bother funding research that is ignored and inaccurate). I don't think we should be exporting so much of our fish (80+%) - the size of the local market should be one of the factors limiting catches.
Good to hear that cod are not extinct though. Although I'd rather eat pretty much any other fish.
"The experts" are beginning to sound like a combination of Chicken Little ("the sky is falling") and "the boy who cried wolf". Around this time last year we discussed cod stocks. The EU quota was set much higher than experts advised (in fact they wanted to stop cod fishing for the year). There was a big fuss. In fact the quota was set to half of the entire cod population, as measured/estimated by the experts. With by-catch & illegal fishing -- apparently that means pretty much the entire population. So, this year, I was waiting to hear what the result was (the end of British cod fishing perhaps). Well, I finally hear the a report last week. Cod stocks are up (according to experts), supposedly due to the quotas
It is good err on the side of caution but science is supposed to be factual. Why would anyone believe the "experts" now? As with climate change, they have a vested interest in scare mongering (more research grants). Also, why would you trust the EU to manage fish stocks when they ignored the experts (and why bother funding research that is ignored and inaccurate). I don't think we should be exporting so much of our fish (80+%) - the size of the local market should be one of the factors limiting catches.
Good to hear that cod are not extinct though.
Although I'd rather eat pretty much any other fish.
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i would have thought japan would be the fist to go not UK, with all the sh...t kinds of fishing over there, i dont think there will be swimmers left there in 20 years
The japanese fishery fleets are too busy exterminating our mediterranean red tuna, amberjacks and swordfish.
However I wouldn't worry if I were english: the recent sightings of white bream in Guernsey says that global warming is working for you, pushing up mediterranean fish.
Not to mention the plenty of Barracuda, Bluefish and Parrotfish colonizing the Med, I'm still impressed by the guy who speared and 8 kilogram Mahi-Mahi near Genoa last month. Never seen or heard of anything like that before. I think that our breams got the message to emigrate somewhere up north...
That is sad to hear. However, it has been my best yet.
The weather this year was awful until midway through August, I suspect that will account for a significant drop in spearo catches all round this year. Things picked up here late August & through October (and apparently into November for some).Historically, the way fishing has been "controlled" is to let the commercial fisherman catch as many as they like until they have exterminated the species/its food source/its environment. Then they either retire, go bankrupt or find another species to hit on. It doesn't seem like things have changed much.
Spaghetti, do you really have Japanese fishing boats in the Med? Haven't you heard of "gun boat diplomacy"?
From what I have heard, a lot non-Japanese fishermen are shipping tuna, etc. east too -- for sushi I suppose.
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Yes Mr. X, the japanese are here with enormous factory ships and 340 thousand square meters (officially) of labyrinth type nets on the migratory/reproductive patterns of the european stock red tuna (I think its bluefin in english).
Mediteranean peoples have been hunting tuna for centuries and made an industry of it. But it was when the Japs arrived that the tuna population started to drop severely.
Now back on a Uk spearo related topic: englishmen must buy a reel and double flopper shafts. Get ready for Dentex and Barracuda, coming soon in Uk waters!
Mediteranean peoples have been hunting tuna for centuries and made an industry of it. But it was when the Japs arrived that the tuna population started to drop severely.
Now back on a Uk spearo related topic: englishmen must buy a reel and double flopper shafts. Get ready for Dentex and Barracuda, coming soon in Uk waters!
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Historically the UK blamed the Russians, Iceland, then French &, for a while, the Spanish for our fishing problems. There is probably some truth in it but it isn't the whole story. Turns out our cod & herring fleets have given stocks a pretty good hammering themselves (herring being the food source for blue tuna).
I was watching Rick Stein (British chef) on TV last week. He showed a load of old tuna fishing boats (huge wooden boats - perhaps rowed or sailed?) slowly decaying on a beach in Sicily. He mentioned the near erradication of tuna in the med.. On an earlier episode he reckon Dentex tasted even better than Bass -- so bring 'em on! (I won't hold my breath while waiting though).
I was watching Rick Stein (British chef) on TV last week. He showed a load of old tuna fishing boats (huge wooden boats - perhaps rowed or sailed?) slowly decaying on a beach in Sicily. He mentioned the near erradication of tuna in the med.. On an earlier episode he reckon Dentex tasted even better than Bass -- so bring 'em on! (I won't hold my breath while waiting though).
Iceland told the EU to feck off many years ago and they managed their own stocks... Icelandic waters are still thick with fish! You can catch 3 or 4 cod or haddock a drop when dangling.
UK ought to grow a set of chuckies and follow suit... and every other european nation with a coastline. Let them all fish and manage their own waters... EU just lets foreigners shit in your backyard.
UK ought to grow a set of chuckies and follow suit... and every other european nation with a coastline. Let them all fish and manage their own waters... EU just lets foreigners shit in your backyard.
In our case it was our own politicians who really made a bad move recently! It is a complicated issue but the end result is we (Guernsey) have lost our 12 mile exclusion zone & now we have huge English trawlers only 3 miles of our coast.
The results are shocking & so depressing I feel despair for all of our fish stocks.
The results are shocking & so depressing I feel despair for all of our fish stocks.
Well put
. Everybody I have ever spoken to about this has expressed a similar opinion. So why don't our politicians do something about it? Iceland was our enemy during the cod war but they were right & we were wrong (at least according to a TV documentary a year or two ago - I guess that lacks credibility these days too ).No, not yet. Not for us.Has the EU actually done anything right? Just wondering
How is the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) going these days BatRay? AtomicHaggis, Norway joined NATO but never joined the EU -- what do you make of it as a country? (Great climbing, skiing & fishing I would imagine).
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Has the EU actually done anything right? Just wondering
Well, there's free trade, Court of human rights, the Euro, health and safety, automatic right of abode and employment, EU Directives ... oh yeah, I see what you mean ...
Shhhh! keep it quiet or they'll be joined by Danish netters practically on the beaches and dutch beam trawlers destroying the sand banks... really it only gets worse.
Has the EU actually done anything right? Just wondering
Those bastards outlawed real haggis!
They have done nothing but meddle in affairs that they have no business meddling in.
Working time directive for away workers in the transport industry... meant I broke the law by not taking 3 months off work... not that I would have gotten paid for it.
One guy I worked with was handed a tool and asked to measure the curvature of the 92 tons of bananas he unloaded... someone was sent back to the continent with some colourful English ringing in his ear.
Health and safety that stops You from wiping your own arse, yet they open the doors of your country to thousands of foreign criminals.
Yeah, they done so much for me.
