O2 and CO2 training in one session

[ericvrp]

In the past I heard and read many times that O2 and CO2 training should not be done in a single session. Does anyone know why that is?

I mean why would doing an hour intense O2 (or CO2) training be better than 30 minutes intense O2 followed by 30 minutes intense CO2 training?

- Eric.

 

[trux]

I do not know about arguments against it, but in our club we combine both methods regularly. Both in statics as in dynamics. Mostly first hypercapnic training, and then hypoxic (especially in statics), but sometimes also vice versa (may be more convenient in dynamics).

 

[Rik]

Eric,

Using only one table is the advice of Umberto Pelizzari. You can find his comment at page 345 (2004 English edition). He doesn't explain why, but I assume it is to avoid overtraining.

 

[fpernett]

I used to train hypoxic in the first phase on the training session, and the last phase was mainly hypercapnic. Will T (in that time) advice me to keep that way. Lately Kerian advice me not to mix them.
I think that it's possible, to mix them, specially in the middle phase of a year training period. In fact, I'll not see any reason to do hypercapnic training in the last part.
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[ericvrp]

When I'm training out of the water I usually stick to one table. In the pool we have all the time in the world (two hours actually) for our static training so I tend to do a few empty lungs, a longer static and at the end a hard CO2 table.

I like it like that but I thought perhaps there was a medical reason for stressing the body in just one way at a time.

About overtraining: personally I think it comes from not listening to your body and mental state instead of hard training. But for some, especially those that rely more on others to tell them what to do, this may be different.

 

[Rik]

Well, to my knowledge there has been no research about how the tables actually work.

There are some ideas, but there is nothing factually known. I could use the glucose measurement again to see if one type of training is more stressful compared with another regimen. I also have an lactate measurement device. So if you want to, we could do some trials.

 

[ericvrp]

Sure Rik, some measuring would be nice. But let's wait with that 'till after the Wiesbaden competition. We will need our focus on kicking some ass :blackeye first. rofl

 

[Rik]

There will only be measurements when I can understand and predict the result. So relax, I won't be ready for Wiesbaden.

 

[Bill]

I tried an experiment, once, a few years ago when I was in top shape. First I completed the hardest CO2 table ever . Then with no rest time, did my normal 7 minute prep and a static about 5 seconds less than PB. Never tried the other way around. Usually don't feel like doing much after a max static. The dry CO2 table for a dynamic warm up seems to be as good as anything, too.

 

[osusim]

We will need our focus on kicking some ass :blackeye first. rofl

Did you mean Goran's ass? :t
BTW should we expect new women's WR there?
I think physically and psychologically more difficult to do O2 tables after CO2 tables.

 

[ericvrp]

I was talking about kicking my own ass. In a figuratively way obviously :blackeye

 

[tuna]

I've tried it once but I've also read that never to do it in one day...So, I'm experimenting a bit, I train table's alternately MWF CO2, TTh O2 and rest on weekends...for 3 weeks or more. I'm having difficulty increasing my CO2 table using this training...Although, I've increase my PB of 1:30 to 2:00 then to 2:15 which is still insignificant...but still steady improvements...

Now, I'm trying M&Th CO2, T&F O2...maybe for another 3 weeks...I'm having easier time at the CO2 table and I feel like increasing it by 5-10secs more...

If I continue feeling better with more rest on a week I may stick to this training for a while since I'm only a beginner...maybe in the future i can train more often when my body adjust to this training...

This is my Co2 @ 45secs Breath hold table:

rest 2:30, 2:15, 2:00, 1:45, 1:30, 1:15, 1:00, 1:00

My O2 table is with 2:00m rest:

@ 20s, 25s, 30s, 40s, 50s, 1:00, 1:10, 1:15

I will not increase my table's till it feels easy for me even though I was able to increase my PB...

 

[kevtron]

Tuna: A comment that I got in the How to Start Freediving post was that a start at 20s really doesn't do much for O2 tables. So I instead started at a min and just did smaller increases.

I know the O2 tables said to do 80% of your PB, so maybe it would be more effective to start at a min and do 5 sec interval increases. Small, but would definitely accomplish more than 20s to start (and 80% of 120s is over 90s; and 1m to start +5s ends at 95s with 8 rounds).

 

[tuna]

Tuna: A comment that I got in the How to Start Freediving post was that a start at 20s really doesn't do much for O2 tables. So I instead started at a min and just did smaller increases.

I know the O2 tables said to do 80% of your PB, so maybe it would be more effective to start at a min and do 5 sec interval increases. Small, but would definitely accomplish more than 20s to start (and 80% of 120s is over 90s; and 1m to start +5s ends at 95s with 8 rounds).

Thanks very much eNeRGy...I overlook this....I'll adjust my tables...

 

[anthropisces]

Is there a thread that would tell me how to use CO2 and O2 tables? I've heard that there is some type of CO2/O2 program that I can download from somewhere here on DeeperBlue, can you tell me where I can find it?

 

[kevtron]

The tables have been talked about in depth in this thread. There is also a link to a website, somewhere in there, which might be what you mean about the program.