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omer t20/millenium t20?
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Basically the T-20 has a black anodized aluminum barrel of 28 mm diameter and the T-20 Millenium has two carbon fiber barrel thicknesses depending on the lengths of the speargun. A 1.75mm thickness for lengths less than 100cm and 1.85mm for lengths longer than 100 cm.
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Ivan
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Ivan
ivan@spetton-usa.com
ivan@freediveforlife.com
Actually no, the standard T-20 has an alluminum barrel versus the T-20 Millenium which is carbon. Considerate price difference between the two. As Ivan says though, the T-20 Millenium has a varying thickness carbon fiber barrel depending on the length.
Mark
Mark
hi, sorry, a bit off topic but where can I order omer product online to Greece? I saw that it's possible by worldwide order from spearfishinggear.com but maybe it's not the most economical solution to order a product made in a neighbouring country, from the other side of the world 
There's an Omer distributor in Greece, you should find out by emailing Omersub where the closest shop is. Shipping from here will kill you considering the guns come from Italy-US-back to Greece customs/duties/brokerages fees.... Plus your local dealer won't charge you for shipping and if you have any kind of problem you don't need to ship it back across the Atlantic
Mark
Mark
You could probably get some feedback from some owners on the forum who have both but here here are some of the main "shop" differences:
The T-20 handle is a newer improved version of the first speargun that Omer was reknown for in the 80's called T-20. The new T-20 came out a few years ago but unless you've owned the old ones (t-20,MB 16/ 30's,Master,Black MAster,Master 16's,MB2000's,Master 2000's) you wouldn't know the differences but the new one used in the T-20 Alum guns, T-20 Millenium Carbons, Master America's and T-20 Mimetics have:
- integrated line release in the side of the handle
- removable white hard grip made of a material that can be filed to conform to the divers hand and can be subsituted by knocking out a pin for a different ergonomic grip
-a redesigned handle angle with more rake for easier more precise pointing
- an index finger positioned safety (a feature I always liked)
- a bigger shaft cage where the shaft goes into the mechanism that makes it easy to accomodate even 400lb line which is rigged standard in US guns
and best of all...
-the strongest European gun trigger mechanism/with the lightest trigger pull (2lbs) that has been rated over 500lbs before failure and is even ideal for multiple bands.
The Excalibur differs from the T-20 in that it's a "Competition" style gun designed to be used with one band. The main advantages of the Excalibur are that is has a very very light and sensitive trigger feel because of the mechanism design. The handle is shaped differently too so depending on your feel and preferences of the grip, some people like the Excalibur handle over the T-20, especially people with smaller hands. The Excalibur is a great gun in the smaller sizes in that you'll never need more than one band anyway with it. Considering you can use 20mm bands with the Excalibur as well which is plenty of power it has a more agile feel with the fast trigger release in the water, a quality that lends itself well for fast moving prey in the shallows or murky water. That's a reason its considered a "competition" style gun.
The T-20 is more square per se', its a bit boxier and more robust. The material used for the handle is a fiberglass injection molded nylon which is more durable and heavy duty than most spearguns on the market today.
What it comes down to is that you really should ask people who have both which they prefer taking into account what sort of hunting they're doing compared to what you'll be doing, and try somehow (I know its hard since you're in Michigan and there isn't a whole lot of freediving going on there) to get one in your hands. Nothing is more important in my opinion than the feel of the gun in your hands or in the water.
Mark
The T-20 handle is a newer improved version of the first speargun that Omer was reknown for in the 80's called T-20. The new T-20 came out a few years ago but unless you've owned the old ones (t-20,MB 16/ 30's,Master,Black MAster,Master 16's,MB2000's,Master 2000's) you wouldn't know the differences but the new one used in the T-20 Alum guns, T-20 Millenium Carbons, Master America's and T-20 Mimetics have:
- integrated line release in the side of the handle
- removable white hard grip made of a material that can be filed to conform to the divers hand and can be subsituted by knocking out a pin for a different ergonomic grip
-a redesigned handle angle with more rake for easier more precise pointing
- an index finger positioned safety (a feature I always liked)
- a bigger shaft cage where the shaft goes into the mechanism that makes it easy to accomodate even 400lb line which is rigged standard in US guns
and best of all...
-the strongest European gun trigger mechanism/with the lightest trigger pull (2lbs) that has been rated over 500lbs before failure and is even ideal for multiple bands.
The Excalibur differs from the T-20 in that it's a "Competition" style gun designed to be used with one band. The main advantages of the Excalibur are that is has a very very light and sensitive trigger feel because of the mechanism design. The handle is shaped differently too so depending on your feel and preferences of the grip, some people like the Excalibur handle over the T-20, especially people with smaller hands. The Excalibur is a great gun in the smaller sizes in that you'll never need more than one band anyway with it. Considering you can use 20mm bands with the Excalibur as well which is plenty of power it has a more agile feel with the fast trigger release in the water, a quality that lends itself well for fast moving prey in the shallows or murky water. That's a reason its considered a "competition" style gun.
The T-20 is more square per se', its a bit boxier and more robust. The material used for the handle is a fiberglass injection molded nylon which is more durable and heavy duty than most spearguns on the market today.
What it comes down to is that you really should ask people who have both which they prefer taking into account what sort of hunting they're doing compared to what you'll be doing, and try somehow (I know its hard since you're in Michigan and there isn't a whole lot of freediving going on there) to get one in your hands. Nothing is more important in my opinion than the feel of the gun in your hands or in the water.
Mark
Thanks Mark,
Yes, not much going on here freediving wise. My daughter and I are curiosities
Spearfishing here is also pretty limited - though I do travel a bit now and again. The only guns in the local shops are JBLs - Which I realized awhile ago are basically the old Voits - not much changed.
Hopefully on a visit out east or west I'll get a chance to check some out.
FYI - in my opinion there's nothing more helpful than an opinionated sales person Your info is great - I look forward to seeing what you have to say about Omer's new stuff - which looks very promising. (CLEAR FINS! How cool is that!?)
apparently these are both legal to spear and VERY good to eat
Yes, not much going on here freediving wise. My daughter and I are curiosities
Spearfishing here is also pretty limited - though I do travel a bit now and again. The only guns in the local shops are JBLs - Which I realized awhile ago are basically the old Voits - not much changed.
Hopefully on a visit out east or west I'll get a chance to check some out.
FYI - in my opinion there's nothing more helpful than an opinionated sales person
Your info is great - I look forward to seeing what you have to say about Omer's new stuff - which looks very promising. (CLEAR FINS! How cool is that!?)apparently these are both legal to spear and VERY good to eat
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Hey Fondueset, sorry I don't know your name.
I'm glad I can be helpful and I like to give my opinion on most of the equipment since I not only represent it and make a living selling it, but I've used it a lot before I even got involved with the Co ten years ago. In fact some features on some of the equipment are direct results from customers/shops/distributors that get back to Omer with feedback on how continually to improve the products. Spearfishing in general is a very specialized sport and the equipment is for a niche consumer that's very picky.
The new products are beautiful, I've been trying several of them for six months, they're all definite production models that will be coming out in Europe, but since the US market is different and has different needs we have a pretty rigorous trial process that I head, independent of Italy's development, composed of several top notch National divers that try it out and give me feedback before deciding which of the products are going to curtail to the requirements of American divers.
In the end the stuff has gone through some of the best divers in Europe first, some of the very best Americans and by the time we get it out to the shops here we're pretty confident people will be really happy with it. I'm always glad to let people know if a particular product is suited or not for their intended use because that is one very easy way for people to misjudge a product without understanding its intended purpose. Thanks and any time you have a question I'm more than happy to help.
Mark
I'm glad I can be helpful and I like to give my opinion on most of the equipment since I not only represent it and make a living selling it, but I've used it a lot before I even got involved with the Co ten years ago. In fact some features on some of the equipment are direct results from customers/shops/distributors that get back to Omer with feedback on how continually to improve the products. Spearfishing in general is a very specialized sport and the equipment is for a niche consumer that's very picky.
The new products are beautiful, I've been trying several of them for six months, they're all definite production models that will be coming out in Europe, but since the US market is different and has different needs we have a pretty rigorous trial process that I head, independent of Italy's development, composed of several top notch National divers that try it out and give me feedback before deciding which of the products are going to curtail to the requirements of American divers.
In the end the stuff has gone through some of the best divers in Europe first, some of the very best Americans and by the time we get it out to the shops here we're pretty confident people will be really happy with it. I'm always glad to let people know if a particular product is suited or not for their intended use because that is one very easy way for people to misjudge a product without understanding its intended purpose. Thanks and any time you have a question I'm more than happy to help.
Mark
