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OMER's new products!!!

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Murat,
did you check out the shape of the new beuchat mundial carbon, its elliptical as you say, with an integrated rail, i saw it in cyprus a couple of months ago, the dealer in nicosia (for riffe, beuchat & picasso) is marios kadis a shop called survival buddies. that gun looked perfect i was just too lazy to take it on the plane, disaassemble, assemble etc....
 
Murat, i don't know why you think it's an elliptical barrel, if you look at the technical data sheet, i believe its a normal 28mm round barell.
 
Very impressive innovations, especially the new muzzle designs. I'm glad that one of the biggest producers of euro-style guns finally realised that open muzzle is the way to go. So much better aiming than the closed muzzle. The Cobra gun looks cool too, almost as cool as Totemsub :) The only thing OMER still needs to modify in the Cobra gun is the plastic handle... then we'll have a magnificent wooden gun :)
 
Guess who participated in the tests of new ice fins?????? Shane the fish trasher :D so i think he will be the best guy to ask more about these fins ;) .
 
Come on Shane, give us something! We're like a bunch of hyenas hungry for some first-hand information :head
 
Marwan, 28mm is diameter size of the tube where it connects to the handle. This part of the barell should be circular shaped otherwise it will not fit handle :)
 
Murat, I also think the shape of the barrel is circular. See the diagram. It reads 25mm internal diameter of the tube and 28 mm outside diameter. There is nothing mentioned about elliptical barrel, which is a real pity IMHO.
 
may be i am wrong. Its kind a hard to see from 2 dimensional pictures.
 
Technically if you include the integrated rail guide then the barrel shape is elliptical to look at but not like the C4 monoscocca barrel which for my money is truly elliptical.
 
I believe the only elliptical barrel is in the Beuchat it must be great for side tracking, also spaniard's c4 is elliptical :)
 
Can anyone post a link, or some pictures of this elliptical-barrel Beuchat? I've never seen one.
 
i saw this beuchat a month ago but did not liked its muzzle.

X-fire also has elliptical barell shape but its not carbon. May be its better that way, since allu. barell is heavier and absorb recoil better.
 
Here’s a quick run down for a few of the new products for those interested. My job is in the distribution of Omer in the United States so take it for what its worth. I am biased but I can also be objective since I dive and I'm used to using to giving gear a workout like many of you. This is a run down although this stuff won’t be out until 2006 because otherwise Murat will suffer a conniption :D Some facts on the new stuff followed by my personal opinion and biases.

By the way for you foreigners, these hurricanes are causing major havoc in America for us, you guys are lucky not to have to witness such disasters. While we’re here talking about equipment our friend Rig Diver in Louisiana lost his house and everything in it…a heck of a reality check when you think of what’s really important in life.

Mark
 
http://www.omersub.com/catalog/spearguns/p19.htm

Cobra Speargun: An upgraded version of the Master America with the objective of producing a one piece laminated teak speargun with the handle integrated into the stock. The name Cobra comes from the shape of the elliptical barrel with more mass and stability and larger in the front, a characteristic that makes the gun more accurate. All machined in Italy using CNC for consistency in precision from gun to gun.

• Cold forged two piece stainless steel muzzle
• Front weight balance system to suit the weight of the shaft
• Integrated new T-20 cassette trigger mechanism and handle tested to 500lbs+
• Stainless steel line release mechanism
• New safety on top
• The US guns will have a rubber butt (pictured)
• Stainless steel integrated reel bracket (pictured) for Alum reels
• Balanced well to be stable and light on the wrist even in the biggest 130cm size

The same as the current Master America from the handle forward with an integrated track (rail as the S.Africans call it). The main difference with this new gun is the one piece design and the insertion of the T-20 handle cassette, it's ingenious and it makes such a solid connection. It can be easily removed out of the stock, basically an enclosed trigger mechanism within the wood stock. See pictures. This is basically a cartridge T-20 mechanism inside the machined wood stock. The advantage is that; not only is the structure one solid piece, but you don’t have to take separate trigger parts out of the wood if you wanted to disassemble for maintenance, since you can slide the complete handle and trigger cassette out of the gun by knocking out two pins and then eventually do the same with the cassette pins to disassemble the trigger mech. This ensures a very exact and precise fit in the rear portion of the gun and a solid connection.

My opinion: If you already own a Master America though, it’s up to you to decide whether the small changes are worth the extra cost for Omer’s 2006 flagship gun. Omer didn’t make this gun with a price-point in mind and when you don’t compromise anything like they did you end up with a hefty price gun, I’m guessing $600-700. As you can see there’s more work involved and more touches. From a shooting standpoint compared to the 2005 Master America’s there are no real advantages, a visually more pleasant and more detailed version of the current teak Master America. I think both guns are equally stunning weapons but there are people who like the one piece stock design better in a wood gun and the way they integrated the cassette trigger mechanism/handle and the stainless reel mount is very solid, much more so than guns where the handle is simply screwed to the bottom of the stock or where a less expensive alternative of shaping a wooden handle into the gun is used. The stainless reel bracket looks strait out of the museum of modern art to. It’s beautiful workmanship, from the custom forged stainless parts, to the round curves in the wood and the butt of the handle, it has a very solid feel comparable to the most serious production teak wooden guns on the market but in the water it’s agile and balanced perfectly. I’ve been using a 100cm with a 150cm 7mm shaft meant for a 110cm gun with two 16mm bands and have shot fish to 109lbs with it already. Just like it’s Master America cousin, the gun is very light on your wrist when reaching forward and still amazingly stable during the shot and agile swinging.

Contrary to your concern Dobs – this handle is much better than a wooden handle. Wood may be a cheaper solution for a custom wooden gun maker to manufacture but it’s a huge stress and leverage point for the gun handle to crack. Screws are the only thing holding it and if dropped they easily crack. The T-20 is exponentially stronger than an alternative in wood and I would bet most other gun handles. This coupled and well integrated into the thick of the Teak stock is not going anywhere. If you’ve seen one or own a T-20 handle you’ll see its as strong as any speargun handle on the market. I know because I’ve taken hammers to most of them. Not to mention you can substitute the grip for the ergonomic handle by knocking out a pin depending on the size of the diver’s hands.

XXV Gold
http://www.omersub.com/catalog/spearguns/p18.htm

XXV
http://www.omersub.com/catalog/spearguns/p17.htm

I haven’t tried either of these guns because we’re likely not going to carry them in the USA. The choice of either or these two guns not being made in sizes longer than 100cm is determined by the fact that the carbon barrel is 1,5mm thickness and a diameter of 25mm and therefore by definition much less rigid than a 28mm barrel. As a consequence longer sizes, if used with powerful double bands, would flex the barrel too much. The second reason is the intended use of this gun which was born from the objective to have an excellent swing and maneuverability in the water ideally used in all types of conditions (shallow water stalking, big swells, around rocks at shy fast moving prey) where this characteristic is fundamental in a speargun. These particular applications are particularly suited and appreciated in European diving conditions where guns between 75-100 are used which is why we’re probably not going to carry them in the USA. The muzzles are very innovative and unique for the obvious reason that one can choose an open muzzle or closed muzzle depending on the day of the week.

Excalibur 3000
http://www.omersub.com/catalog/spearguns/p16.htm

An upgrade to the Excalibur Aluminum version with an integrated shaft guide captured into the 28mm carbon fiber barrel. It won’t come in a size longer than 110cm making it the perfect single band mid size gun. I like this gun with 20mm bands and a small sharkfin shaft. This is a more complex rail design (from a production standpoint) compared to a stick on or glued on rail since it’s captured into the actual circumference of the barrel. Light, accurate, and very maneuverable. Five years of testing on the world market have gone into this gun thanks to lots of divers modifying Excaliburs into open muzzle guns for several years. The carbon fiber barrel just makes the gun lighter and rigid.

A few pictures, I’ll tell you about the fins and the float when I recover from this one…I tried those too and I gota say, they’ve been working hard and drinking lots of Espresso’s in Italy considering the work they’ve done creating them! The fins and the new float are top notch quality and performance.

Mark
 

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As they say in Italy;
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It doesn't take much imagination to see the possibility of an extremely cool mid-handle design evolving out of the Cobra - which just visually is really beautifully and intelligently done.

Really nice design.
 
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It doesn't take much imagination to see the possibility of an extremely cool mid-handle design evolving out of the Cobra - which just visually is really beautifully and intelligently done.

Glad you like it Chris. I don't see Omer making a mid-handle any time soon, unless it's for blue water I don't see the purpose.

Anyway, here's the interesting thing about the Cobra, the trigger cassette/handle being one piece and integrated into the stock makes it a snap to remove for travel, winter maintenance whatever...A few pictures of my gun showing this unique feature. It's a concept that Scott Merlo, amker of unique blue water guns, also uses in his masterpieces that run thousands of bucks.

Mark
 

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Hiya

That looks stunning!!!!:D:D

I think the biggest flaw is that i don't own one!! :waterwork :waterwork Any chance of Omer needing more testing done?? I gladly volunteer my services!!!:D

Really is a nice bit of kit. The only real problem with all of Omer's new range, is that its going to be VERY difficult CHOOSING one particular gun!!!:D:D

Regards
miles
 
Mark,

I asked Matt about when he would be getting the Cobra and what the prices are, but he let me know that he didn't expect them until January.

Could you please give him an update and a pricing sheet if possible. I am planning to sell my old style Master America 115 to make room for the Cobra.

Jim M.

P.S. What's up with that gun on Ebay? Do you really feel it may be a knock-off?
 
Mark, I can't quite make out the images. Why don't you send the gun over to my place so I can look closer :)

I'm working on getting the fishing regs here in Michigan changed (see below for why!). In the event I'm successful, or move somewhere saltier, one of those in 100-115cm is next on my birthday list. Outstanding design for travel. You're right - I need to get off the mid-handle fixation.

Chris M

PS - I saw that gun on ebay - Knock off? like a rolex or something ??
 
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