Pelizzari Rib Cage Stretches, Anyone?

[maytag]

Hello,

Just got my copy of Pelizzari and Tovaglieri's Manual of Freediving. Has anyone out there tried any of the stretching exercises in Chapter 4? If so, did you notice any improvement in your breath-holding capacity after doing them? I've hit a brick wall at 3 minutes and can't figure out how to get past it. If improving rib cage elasticity will help...

Also, does the term "carpa" = "packing"?

Thanks in advance for any input! Cheers to you,

 

[naiad]

'Carpa' is packing. I haven't done rib cage stretches, but might try.

Lucia

 

[maytag]

Thank you for the clarification, Naiad.

If you try the exercises, I'd be curious to know what you thought of them, and if they helped you. I guess I'll have to do them longer to experience a result, if any. I guess I just feel that when I try to inhale as deeply as possible, I'm just not filling up my lungs very efficiently before I feel "full." That sounds stupid, I know, as does the feeling of still having air in my lungs after exhaling! I don't at all feel as if I've reached the point where my rib cages are posing the constraint, so I guess I'm not sure if these exercises are going to help my problem...

Anyway, thanks again and cheers to you.

 

[Mullins]

I think ribcage stretches are more physiological fine-tuning (particularly for deep dives) than a training technique that'll increase your breathhold dramatically.

 

[Fondueset]

What can happen, as a result of practicing 'stretching' the right way - which is to emphasize awareness, quality of attention and deep relaxation into the the movement - is an overall improvement in the effeciency of the body in motion including the activation of musculature that was previously underutilized with a corresponding ballancing out of systems that were overused as compensation. The body works less against itself so there is an improvement in ability to fill the lungs - but more significantly the body wastes less energy in movement.
There are methodologies that involve no 'stretching' per se and are also quite effective. it is important to avoid over concentrating sensation or working mechanically.

 

[SEDATE]

ribcage stretches are more usufel before max hold attempt i do 4-5 times before max hold and relax 10min and go directly to atempt big hold i did 6:50 by this way., too much breath makes stress and vice-versa on hold i fill 3/4 all the time before big hold , no packing all the time but for warmup i fill as much as i can but only hold 30sec
i never read or seen pelizzari book' if you find out any tip usefull attach here and let's discuss on it mate ,i searching still the book but no stores selling it here you have any link to read inside the book

 

[maytag]

Hi All,
Thanks for taking the time to share your input. Guess I will keep on stretching those ribs... or crack them, whichever happens first! :blackeye

SEDATE, I got my copy of the book through Amazon.com. I know it's in stock there. But, it might be onsale somewhere on DeeperBlue, too. I believe you can also get copies through E-Bay.

The book looks to be very comprehensive - which topics would you be interested in discussing?

Reading the book makes me all the more convinced that I could really use real instruction to get started properly - maybe Mentor Jon will resurrect his course someday - if not that, then hopefully PFI (does anyone know what their 2007 schedule looks like?)

Take good care and cheers to all!

 

[Marwan]

Sedate, wow, 6:50 RESPECT
i have the pelizarri book, but dont really like how its written, like a science bok, or maybe im more of a spearfishing guy, so dont have too much tolerance for some of the technical info...
cheers

 

[demasoni]

Maytag,

The 2007 PFI schedule seems to have just gone up on their website.

 

[maytag]

Demasoni -

Thanks!!

 

[SEDATE]

maytag
did you check ''katabasis'' section ., i never seen and read but some said to me ., i only deal with this section ., can you gimme some info about this section i bored stuck at 6:30- 6:50 ., i must beat 7+ ., there must be a way to break up boring holding breathhold
adition., never EVER force your rib cage., do all whatever you do in a harmony and very slowly and let give a chance to your muscle(muscles around your rib cage) and opurtunity for recovery..this will work., 5min or 10 min will be enough a day ., i do oneday ribcage expand one day recovery

 

[SEDATE]

Sedate, wow, 6:50 RESPECT
i have the pelizarri book, but dont really like how its written, like a science bok, or maybe im more of a spearfishing guy, so dont have too much tolerance for some of the technical info...
cheers

marwan i have no credit card rofl ., therefore i have no opurtunity to order my mate

 

[Fondueset]

I agree with Marwan. The Pelizzari book is good - but dry and a bit difficult to sort out. I'd like to see a more engaging experiential narrative flow combined with a functional quick reference structure at the end.
This is why Eric Fattah and Pete need to write a book focused on recreational freediving

 

[fcallagy]

Hi Sedate,
In the section on katabasis you visualise different colours in a set sequence. i don,t have the book to hand but will check out the sequence if you wish don,t think we will be infringing on copyright too much. Katabasis is a small section under relaxation I think. I feel its a great book as although their is little or no narative the name of the book suggests it all "Manuel" thats what it is and should maybe be used as part of a course which i think is what pelizzari intended it to be, course notes.

 

[Waterysmile]

I think it goes through the 7 colours of the rainbow - roygbiv.

 

[maytag]

Hi Sedate,

FCallagy and Waterysmile are right - it goes through the color spectrum, and with each color, we're supposed to concentrate on certain sensations/thoughts/emotions. I share FCallagy's concerns about copyright, and hesitate to paste a direct quote. In case FCallagy doesn't find the book, here's a really rough paraphrase of what I think the central gist is for each of the colors the book instructs the reader to cycle through...

1: Red - concentrate on relaxing the physical body
2: Orange - concentrate on positive feelings to relax the emotions
3: Yellow - concentrate on peaceful memories to relax the mind
4: Green - concentrate on being at total ease/peace
5: Blue - concentrate on experiencing love
6: Indigo - concentrate on your aspirations/purpose
7: Purple - (hmm.. not really a good way of paraphrasing this state, other than that you are supposed to be at a sort of "nirvana," I think)

(Pelizzari and Tovaglieri 2004:133-35)

I'm not really into meditation/imagery - perhaps the others can add more here...?

I agree, the Pelizzari book is definitely not written in a style that I find the most engaging. However, I think there are some good exercise tips. Has anyone checked out the materials produced by Terry Maas?

BTW, awesome apnea times!! And, thanks for the ribcage stretching tips!

I guess my apnea ability is still so bad that I don't get bored yet!! I do listen to music. Usually, though, I just blank my mind, and I find I end up diving into a tunnel through memories. I'll end up remembering a really random place or a random day from when I was a child. Then, I will focus on something equally mundane and try to remember all the details. I guess that is super boring to others, but it's kind of a fun challenge to see how much I can dig up from my memory.... and I get so distracted, I don't realize the minutes on the stopwatch ticking by so slowly!

Thanks to all for sharing your posts!

 

[Fondueset]

Along these lines - 'Yoga Nidra' by Richard Miller (also a very accomplished teacher of pranayama). Another is the Vijnana Bhairava. One interesting technique in the latter is attending to the 'space between' - germaine since all apnea occurs between breaths. Yoga Nidra works with dualities through the various 'sheaths'.

 

[SEDATE]

Maytag
Thnx for nice post., but what exactly pelizzari says following ...let say when i attemp max hold holding breath i close my eyes totally of 3/4 (5:40min-6:00min)of hold and i open rest of 1/4(6:00min-6:50min) to protect brain switch it off (a little bit works)...any way we closes our eyes and dreaming colors totaly or one by one..what did give an expalantion on this case?., really looks perfect idea., i lll try it but i did not really understood how to use it?

 

[maytag]

Howzit Sedate,

Which corner of the world do you live in?

Cheers,

 

[SEDATE]

TurkeY.......