Plan to end the baby seal hunt

[joe123321]

Sea Shepherd - Ottawa Monument
Just saw this on the seashepherd website, looks like a good idea.
The plan is to have people get cardboard boxes and collect signatures from people who are against the seal hunt and then send them in to become a part of a giant cardboard monument to be built in ottowa on parliament hill.

Start collecting those signatures:t

 

[Oldsarge]

Don't waste your time. Sea Shephard isn't going to have any effect on the Canadian government, at all. The sealers vote and have a lot of support from the American Indian community who also live by harvesting renewable resources. The First Nations citizens in Canada also vote and the international members of Sea Shephard can't vote in Canadian elections. Neither Green Peace nor Sea Shephard have any clout in the North. This is just another way to get Sea Shephard headlines and more money . . . to be spent on the lifestyle of the directors!

 

[deckhand mike]

Seals are the biggest renewable resource and one of the biggest pest I know of. Besides have you seen the greenpeace boats? They probaly run them just to keep non-profit status. Boats are the biggest money sinkhole around. If they were really concerned about wildlife they would taking those polluting monsters out of the water. Let hunters hunt renewable resources. .

 

[Wilddogsam]

Don't waste your time. Sea Shephard isn't going to have any effect on the Canadian government, at all. The sealers vote and have a lot of support from the American Indian community who also live by harvesting renewable resources. The First Nations citizens in Canada also vote and the international members of Sea Shephard can't vote in Canadian elections. Neither Green Peace nor Sea Shephard have any clout in the North. This is just another way to get Sea Shephard headlines and more money . . . to be spent on the lifestyle of the directors!

Oldsarge,

I’m actually the person who spearheaded this initiative in Canada and for the record I am not getting paid as much as a dime for this. All told the time I will be taking off work and the costs associated with this event puts me in the hole approx. $2,200. Incidentally like many I volunteer my time to the Sea Shepherd because this organization is worth it and has a long history of saving wildlife and protecting the environment. Next in regards to your comment: “more money . . . to be spent on the lifestyle of the directors!” this is utter BS, again and for the record Sea Shepherd directors are also volunteers. But then the reality is here we have someone (i.e. you) who is not privy to any information concerning the accounting/financing of this organization acting like an insider who has detailed information, when in fact you know nothing.

And here is one more fact - the Canadian Commercial Seal Slaughter has absolutely nothing to do with First Nations. It is an annual free-for-all supremely cruel slaughter conducted by east coast fisherman.

Oldsarge after reading what you wrote I am reminded of that old saying; “A little knowledge is a dangerous thing” and in reference to what you have written I would like to close with NO knowledge is… well, just plain sad if you ask me.

Sincerely,

Stephen Thompson

P.S. For an organization that has no clout in Canada, let’s see what March 15th produces in Ottawa shall we?

 

[Amphibious]

I support the seal hunt 100%. it is not a free for all, it is government regulated with bag limits. I'll leave it at that.

P.S. For an organization that has no clout in Canada, let’s see what March 15th produces in Ottawa shall we?

a bunch of hippies getting pepper sprayed?

 

[Wilddogsam]

I support the seal hunt 100%. it is not a free for all, it is government regulated with bag limits. I'll leave it at that.

a bunch of hippies getting pepper sprayed?

Government regulated?!? R-i-i-i-g-h-t. Regulated by the same government department that was solely responsible for the collapse of the east coast cod fishery. The same government department who was in charge of monitoring and regulating the seal slaughter back in the 80’s when it was documented & PROVEN the “hunt” was horrifically cruel and wasteful.

Here’s what Canadian seal “hunt” monitoring is all about:

Department of Fisheries and Oceans Detachment Supervisor, Arthur A. LeBlanc, Chéticamp, Cape Breton, Nova Scotia told Atlantic Canadian Anti-Sealing Coalition founder, Bridget Curran, that sealers are not required to have a dockside monitor count their pelts and that one is never present during the hunt in Western Cape Breton.

This statement was made after Curran called the RCMP to report that there was no monitor at the docks in Port Hood during the opening day of the 2007 grey seal hunt, which began on February 19th, and that the sealers had taken the pelts to the home of a local sealer.

LeBlanc phoned Curran to explain that except for a few random spot checks, his detachment of the Department of Fisheries and Oceans (DFO) accepts the word of the sealers as to how many seals they have killed.

And as for supporting the seal hunt - Amphibious - you won’t be doing it for very much longer, to quote Canadian Senator Céline Hervieux-Payette from her December 19, 2006 email* to supporters: "I tell you, we are close to losing the (seal) war.”

And if you have ANY doubt as to the authenticity of the quotation noted above I recommend you contact Ms. Hervieux-Payette’s office, the number is: 1-613-947-8008.

Amphibious you are living in a dream world, wait and see what reality is going to present your side with soon. Germany is most definitely going to ban all Canadian Seal products and the U.K. and the rest of the E.U. will follow suit in short order and then it will all be over (again) for the seal-killers.

WDS

* She was too stupid to check and see who had written in to support her and who had done the opposite (i.e. me).

 

[Amphibious]

seals are a renewable resourse. the fur is useful in many ways. if they wern't so cute looking no one would give a rats ass about them. they are far from ever going extinct.

I notice you have 2 posts on this site, both in this tread. I wonder if you are accutally a freediver here to participate, or just signed up to push your own adgenda?

 

[Wilddogsam]

seals are a renewable resourse. the fur is useful in many ways. if they wern't so cute looking no one would give a rats ass about them. they are far from ever going extinct.

I notice you have 2 posts on this site, both in this tread. I wonder if you are accutally a freediver here to participate, or just signed up to push your own adgenda?

I'm here to promote the truth in reference to the seal slaughter, something you know nothing about.

WDS

 

[Amphibious]

the TRUTH is it is a LEGAL, GOVERNMENT CONTROLED, GOVERNMENT MONITORED, hunt.

while protesting on the hill is a legal form of resistance to this hunt, interfering with lawful hunting activities is a federal crime in canada, so forgive me if I have little sympathy for those that activly protest in and around seal huntign grounds.

protesters, in this case, do nothing but waste tax payer dollars tying up law enforcement and fisheries personel during their protests.

 

[Wilddogsam]

the TRUTH is it is a LEGAL, GOVERNMENT CONTROLED, GOVERNMENT MONITORED, hunt.

while protesting on the hill is a legal form of resistance to this hunt, interfering with lawful hunting activities is a federal crime in canada, so forgive me if I have little sympathy for those that activly protest in and around seal huntign grounds.

protesters, in this case, do nothing but waste tax payer dollars tying up law enforcement and fisheries personel during their protests.

Amphibious,

There are many things that are legal in this world, the hunt or should I say - baby seal pup slaughter - was legal back in the 80's until it was proven to be unspeakably cruel and wasteful.

And just because something is legal it does not necessarily mean it is (morally) right, you should know that...

Err... then again maybe you don't.

(And that IS sad.)

 

[JPPLAY]

Do you have any hard data that backs up your statements? I am all for good regulations on hunting and fishing but just because something looks cute doesn't mean it shouldn't be harvested or hunted. I love all animals and all things.
I have moved slugs off paths and off roads just so they wouldn't get killed but then I have gone spearfishing latter in the day.
This seems to me like the Bear or wolf populations in Alberta and BC when people say they are endangered. When you start looking for these animals you will find their signs or them lots. Hard data by reputable sources is a must to back up your statements.
Can you please show me where Europe is banning seal products and how you know what their policies are going to be in the future for a fact.

 

[Amphibious]

morals are a point of view. what gives you the right to tell anyone their morals are wrong?

are you God? Allah? Budda? The Greak Pumpkin?

as for cruel and wasteful, I hope everyone of those boxes and ballots will be recycled.

 

[JPPLAY]

And just because something is legal it does not necessarily mean it is (morally) right, you should know that...

Err... then again maybe you don't.

(And that IS sad.)

First off don't attack people you don't know. I only know good things about Amphibious and I have a lot more information about him then you do.
Moral standards are different to each person. Some people are against the killing of any living thing. I respect people for their beliefs but that doesn't mean I agree with them. Are you a complete vegatarian by the way? Do you use any animal products like shampoo? What the different between killing a cow and killing a seal?

 

[Shadowkiller]

Wow, someone from SeaShepherd, an organisation that routinely lies, promotes violence and commits acts of piracy, talking about morals?

Excuse me while I wipe away tears of laughter.

The sooner SeaShepherd is named as a terrorist organisation, the better off the conservation movement will be.

 

[Shadowkiller]

Do you have any hard data that backs up your statements?

Of course not. The extremist green movement relies on its ideology and empty rhetoric to swing people to their point of view. Facts and figures are just obstacles to be overcome in the quest to force others to adopt their point of view.

SeaShepherd routinely lies about the whaling issues, why should sealing be any different?

:rcard

 

[Marwan]

i wish people could focus their efforts on extreme depletion of forests instead, its non renewable and a threat to our existence, global warming etc....it seems to make more sense in terms of priority at least...

 

[Oldsarge]

Oh, forests can and often are intelligently managed, too. Look at how much of the UK is being replanted not just in trees but now in hardwoods. Where deforestation is rampent is in those countries where the government is either ineffective or corrupt, especially at the local level. These are the same conditions that lead to poaching. So long as the local people see no benefit in the maintenance of the environment, they will destroy it. If you want good management, engage the locals, not some hysterical collection of city dwellers.

 

[deckhand mike]

There is no difference from legally commercially harvesting a seal than a fish except that seals are a nuisance. Where do you draw the line between seal and fish and if you can't why do you post on one of the biggest spearo sites. For all means you are welcome here but what you preach is a little out of place. Good luck in your quest for what you belive is right but stay out of the way of commercial fisherman making a living. I support your idea for legislative protest but the minute envirmentalist personally interfere with my livelyhood they cross the line to terrorist. Interfering with hunts is as despicable as poaching and there will be a special place in hell for those who break fishing laws.

 

[naiad]

I don't want to get too involved in a pointless argument, but environmentalism and animal rights are two completely different issues.

 

[BatRay]

Very true, but wise stewardship can be applied anywhere. It's when you move into the 'no killing animals/cutting trees' philosophy that you get into trouble. California's forests are overstocked, filled with disease, and burning at unprecedented rates because they are a renewable resource, but people are trying to 'preserve' them. That's ridiculous. You cannot preserve a living thing, because it changes and grows. Besides, we still have a demand for forest products, so we import them from areas that do not have controls and regulations, and those places are scenes of environmental devastation. That way, smug California residents can point out all the trees, as infested and diseased as they are, and say that we are saving the environment. If California was wise about harvesting the forest, we would not have that problem.

Ok, I'll get off my soapbox