Pneaumatic or band guns? Which model to choose?

[hudasmt]

Hi everybody!!!

I would like to get your opinion or reviews for the following guns so I have something aside from my 5 foot polespear:

Seac Sub asso 40 Pneumatic

Beuchat 40 cm Pneumatic

Beuchat Mundial competition 60 cm band gun

JBL 40 or 50 cm band gun(explorer i think)


If you will buy 1 of these,which 1 will you go for and why?

My reasons of choosing between these guns is for concealing it from the coast guards and cheap, spearing is illegal here,but, coast guard themselves are doing it and told me its ok as long as you are discreet of what you are doing and the catch will go to dining table. I need to let go of it if or ditch it if circumstances arise so i wont go to jail or penalize, thats why i need a cheap gun and cant go for mares cyrano or riffe 60 cm band gun. Fish size is like 2 feet long trevally or foot long grouper under 10 meters hunting depth.


Thank you in advance for your help.


Elvis:friday

 

[strangelove]

Hi everybody!!!

I would like to get your opinion or reviews for the following guns so I have something aside from my 5 foot polespear:

Seac Sub asso 40 Pneumatic

Beuchat 40 cm Pneumatic

Beuchat Mundial competition 60 cm

JBL 40 or 50 cm band gun(explorer i think)


If you will buy 1 of these,which 1 will you go for and why?

My reasons of choosing between these guns is for concealing it from the coast guards and cheap, spearing is illegal here,but, coast guard themselves are doing it and told me its ok as long as you are discreet of what you are doing and the catch will go to dining table. I need to let go of it if or ditch it if circumstances arise so i wont go to jail or penalize, thats why i need a cheap gun and cant go for mares cyrano or riffe 60 cm band gun. Fish size is like 2 feet long trevally or foot long grouper under 10 meters hunting depth.


Thank you in advance for your help.


Elvis:friday

I would go with one of the pneaumatic guns, I think the compressed air gun will give more power per lengh, the 60 cm band gun is only usefull for murky water or cave hunting or night fishing (IMO).

 

[hudasmt]

Thanks mate, thats 1 for the pneaumatic.

 

[Mongrel454]

Make that 2 for Pneumatic

For those sizes the pneumatic will have more power everytime

 

[hudasmt]

Thanks mate!!! So do i hear 3? 3 for pneaumatic? 1 more and its pneaumatic...If its pneumatic, Would you go for Beuchat or the Seac Sub Asso 40?

 

[Mongrel454]

I use a seac asso but the 115 and its a great gun

never used a beuchat so i cant comment on it.....

 

[spaghetti]

ok here's one more for the pneumatic, but remember that the effective shoot range of a short 40 cm will not be any longer than only one meter, one meter and a half. It may be used only into holes, or to shoot very, very dumb fish who let you come very close to them: within one meter it's a big punch of a shot and will do kill any fish of any size no matter how big. But if the target is 150 centimeters away, it's already out of range.
In the Mediterranean a 40cm pneumatic is the typical gun for eels (moray and conger), who offer a splendid target laying motionless at the entrance of their holes. But yet the 40 is even too short for holled up sargos, who tend to stay far into long crevices. In short, the short range is the issue with this gun.
Talking on brands, these pneumatics with 13mm inner barrel are basically all the same. The difference between Beuchat and Asso is that one is french made, the other is italian made. Get the Asso

PS: why not a 50 pneumatic? Or a Ministen 55? They shoot something longer and are still easy to conceal.
PPS: why not a foldable polespear then? The Omer Manny Puig looks like a hell of a polespear, and can be quickly dismtnled in 3 pieces for concealing purpose...http://www.omerdiving.com/
PPS: again for concealing purpose, a 60cm bandgun is almost twice as big than the 40/50 pneumatic. But I have a Comanche 60 and a Seatec Grotto 60 which I enjoy much.

 

[hudasmt]

ok here's one more for the pneumatic, but remember that the effective shoot range of a short 40 cm will not be any longer than only one meter, one meter and a half. It may be used only into holes, or to shoot very, very dumb fish who let you come very close to them: within one meter it's a big punch of a shot and will do kill any fish of any size no matter how big. But if the target is 150 centimeters away, it's already out of range.
In the Mediterranean a 40cm pneumatic is the typical gun for eels (moray and conger), who offer a splendid target laying motionless at the entrance of their holes. But yet the 40 is even too short for holled up sargos, who tend to stay far into long crevices. In short, the short range is the issue with this gun.
Talking on brands, these pneumatics with 13mm inner barrel are basically all the same. The difference between Beuchat and Asso is that one is french made, the other is italian made. Get the Asso

PS: why not a 50 pneumatic? Or a Ministen 55? They shoot something longer and are still easy to conceal.
PPS: why not a foldable polespear then? The Omer Manny Puig looks like a hell of a polespear, and can be quickly dismtnled in 3 pieces for concealing purpose...Omer
PPS: again for concealing purpose, a 60cm bandgun is almost twice as big than the 40/50 pneumatic. But I have a Comanche 60 and a Seatec Grotto 60 which I enjoy much.

I already have the 3 piece polespear with a double flapper. it's legal here. The only thing is,I'm having a hard time taking videos even with a compact cam when im hunting. The 50 cm price is more i can bargain for to be given to the coast guards if they catch me...hehehe:blackeye The models i mentions are the only one available here,getting it on-line will be a major problem coz of the law here. I could'nt even get a BB gun across customs here:headI'll talk to the shop if they can get me the 50 cm then. I just need it to be short enough to fit in my fin bag and short enough to be in between my fins when i'm walking toward the sea:crutch hehehe

Thanks for a very detailed advice. I need to bargain some more on the 50 cm:friday

 

[hudasmt]

Thats 2 vote for Seac Asso,so most definitely i need to bargain heavily on the Seac Asso 50 cm, but i have to wait a while to get it:head They are only keeping the 30 and 40 cm in stock. Oh well...spear on!!!:friday

 

[armandozx]

I would vote for a (Rob Allen )band gun, just because I rather shoot something quieter, like most have mentioned an air gun will soothe you better, or will it? That is something you will have to decide, for your needs the size to power level seems reasonable that an airgun is probably your perfect concealed weapon.

Asso’s are very nice, cheap as well, so why waste more money on a fancier airgun when in reality you are going to shoot the same mm shaft with the same inner mm barrel width (13) unless you go Cyrano but you wont, because it’s rather expensive and I wouldn’t bother it (personally).

PS: Manny Puig is a super bad ass

 

[hudasmt]

Rob Allen band gun is really good also no doubt,here in Abu Dhabi,its a bit pricey just to donate to the Coast guard boys if i get caught...hehehehe...the smallest rail gun they have is 70 cm.

Thanks mate:friday

All the guns i mention in my list is less than $140.00 and is ready available. Only the asso 50 cm i have to double check

 

[settingsteel]

I'd 3 or is it 4th the farter! as for being louder than a band gun, according to what has been explained to me the vibration from a band release signals a fish faster than the sound of a farter...that being said I can also say that a farter sounding off in a heavily taxed area will send the fish on the fly.

 

[hteas]

Waht type of 3-prong are yu using?

A 3 piece Ray Odor (made in Florida) pole spear would be 6 feet long, and his new extension with tahitian tip would make it 8 1/2 feet long (260 cm). That should reach out AT LEAST as far as a 40 or 50 cm airgun can shoot, and it would be legal.

But if you really must give up and go with a gun, go with air. More power for a really short one.

Howard

 

[hudasmt]

Waht type of 3-prong are yu using?

A 3 piece Ray Odor (made in Florida) pole spear would be 6 feet long, and his new extension with tahitian tip would make it 8 1/2 feet long (260 cm). That should reach out AT LEAST as far as a 40 or 50 cm airgun can shoot, and it would be legal.

But if you really must give up and go with a gun, go with air. More power for a really short one.

Howard

I'm using an Aquacraft 3 piece 5' fiberglass with a double flapper spear tip from Trident and its quite a bit tricky if you are holding the cam at the same time trying to spear a fish hehehehe...:head reloading if you miss is a no norofl I will still be using it since its a good way of being calm in front of the target and legal. The gun is for the very annoying fish that says "nye nye nye nye nyeh you missed #@^&%^*":martial

So i guess Air is the way to go...Thanks a lot guys and will let you know what happens.


Cheers:friday

 

[settingsteel]

Hiya dude was'da hurry man, best advice is to try them both out, see which you personally like then take it from there

 

[hudasmt]

If i dont get caught with the air, i might go with the bands:friday

 

[hudasmt]

I've finally got my farter guys. Its a Beuchat 40 cm. I was supposed to take the asso 40 but the shop selling them doesnt have any clue for maintenance and repairs and parts which always concerns me when i have moving parts in my equipments. I got it for a mere $120.00 from a $200.00 regular price and 1 year guarantee. I just hope my cough and sinus attacks is over by Friday to start shooting those "nye nye nye nye nye you miss with your polespear" kinda fish. :friday:friday:friday

 

[settingsteel]

Congrats man, go FART away at some fishrofl

 

[hudasmt]

Congrats man, go FART away at some fishrofl

I love the way you said that!!! If i do fart literally, i wont need my gun to get the fish,they will just float from the toxic scent of my bubble rings heheheheroflroflrofl

 

[Mr. X]

..I would like to get your opinion or reviews for the following guns so I have something aside from my 5 foot polespear:

Seac Sub asso 40 Pneumatic

Beuchat 40 cm Pneumatic

Beuchat Mundial competition 60 cm band gun

JBL 40 or 50 cm band gun(explorer i think)


If you will buy 1 of these,which 1 will you go for and why?

My reasons of choosing between these guns is for concealing it from the coast guards and cheap, spearing is illegal here,but, coast guard themselves are doing it and told me its ok as long as you are discreet of what you are doing and the catch will go to dining table. I need to let go of it if or ditch it if circumstances arise so i wont go to jail or penalize, thats why i need a cheap gun and cant go for mares cyrano or riffe 60 cm band gun. Fish size is like 2 feet long trevally or foot long grouper under 10 meters hunting depth.
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Congratulations! Even though I am a devout band gun user, I think a pneumatic gun makes sense for your situation. It should be more versatile, powerful & smaller. 40cm is extremely short though. A 60cm band gun would be as long as 70/80cm pneumatic because they are measured differently. So might have been worth considering a slightly longer pneumatic. I've been pleased with my Beuchat gear.