Preparation before statics?

[zabujco]

Hi everyone,

I'm new here, I've been training statics for one month now and have some questions about big/maximum attempts. So maybe first I will tell how I usually do it:

I usually do my tries at about 8:30 before breakfast, I feel it is easier than during the day.
Preparation before each attempt: I don't move, breath slowly, then 2 slow big inhales/exales, big inhale plus 4s apnea, full exhale, then inhale plus 8 packs.

And now for example today:
First attempt - contractions started at 2:23, 26 contractions, total time 3:40, (time of contractions 1:17)
Break 2:40
Second attempt: Cs started 2:37, 25 cs, total t 3:53, c time 1:16
Break 5:00
Third attempt: Cs started 3:10, 28 cs, total t 4:31, c time 1:21
Break 9:40
Forth (maximum) attempt: Cs started 3:18, 30 cs, total time 4:39, c time 1:21

and now questions:

1. Packing - in Umberto's "Manual.." it is said to inhale 80% of lungs to be more relaxed. For me it doesn't work, it is much better for me to make some packs. How many packs/if any do you do?

2. Tell me please what preparation you do before each attempt, maybe I can change sth to make progress

3. Contractions: as you can see I can handle about 24-28 contractions (it takes about 1:00-1:20). When I made my pb 5:00 I had 39 contractions, which started at 3:24 and lasted 1:36. It was a real hardcore for me, I was all wet after it. So a question is how long can you handle with cs, maybe I am just to weak (psychically) and should fight longer? (how long?)

 

[style]

3. Contractions: as you can see I can handle about 24-28 contractions (it takes about 1:00-1:20). When I made my pb 5:00 I had 39 contractions, which started at 3:24 and lasted 1:36. It was a real hardcore for me, I was all wet after it. So a question is how long can you handle with cs, maybe I am just to weak (psychically) and should fight longer? (how long?)

Hi!
My contractions are staring very early, I have my first at about 1.30 and then I can keep it up for about 2.30 before I have to quit. But I still feel lika I can do more as I'm not as dizzy as after an max dynamic swim. There my contractions are staring at about 30 m and I have a PB 62.5

 

[perow1]

Hi!
My contractions are staring very early, I have my first at about 1.30 and then I can keep it up for about 2.30 before I have to quit. But I still feel lika I can do more as I'm not as dizzy as after an max dynamic swim. There my contractions are staring at about 30 m and I have a PB 62.5

What do you mean with having to quit? Is it to uncomfortable or do you suffer from samba or BO if you continue? Probably the first one, right?

I to have early contractions. Around 1.45-2 mins during statics and 40-50m during dynamics. Hovever I can go on for over five minutes having contractions and well over 100m after my first one in dynamics. and still I quit because of discomfort. For me the best approah has been to deal with them, since postponing my contractions is hard. Extensive hyperventilation and long series of long breathholds can do the trick, but it is way more elaborous and I haven´t done greater with late contractions.

 

[style]

What do you mean with having to quit? Is it to uncomfortable or do you suffer from samba or BO if you continue? Probably the first one, right?

I to have early contractions. Around 1.45-2 mins during statics and 40-50m during dynamics. Hovever I can go on for over five minutes having contractions and well over 100m after my first one in dynamics. and still I quit because of discomfort. For me the best approah has been to deal with them, since postponing my contractions is hard. Extensive hyperventilation and long series of long breathholds can do the trick, but it is way more elaborous and I haven´t done greater with late contractions.

Most of the time I am quiting is becouse of discomfort, never sufferd from samba or BO. Series of breathholds before my max atempt is the key to my PB's. My ab is now at 4.30 and that was in the end of a O2 table and that time I really pushed myself far.

Maybe I should ad that it was dynamic with no fins I was talking about in my earlier post.

 

[perow1]

I used to do my best results at the end of something that resembles a CO2-table too. Or maybe O2-table...
...I used to do series of 4-5 breathholds before my max building up to max. With short rests inbetween. I just got fed up with this approach and started to go for just maximum right away. I tend to hit similar times or slightly better this way. Still I feel i haven´t found the best way for me. I guess experementing is the way, trying out what is YOUR best way. Personally I feel I haven´t been experementing long enough to even have a clue what is beat. I have only found a way to be consistant at what I find are OK-times. Still I am in search for a way to reach my potential, it feels like I am doing 80-80% performances quite often.

Maybe it would be good for you to try training WITH your contractions for a while. Since they come early you might have to accept them as a part of your breathhold. Still, if you don´t, i think training with contractions will bring another dimention to your regular way.

 

[style]

I used to do my best results at the end of something that resembles a CO2-table too. Or maybe O2-table...
...I used to do series of 4-5 breathholds before my max building up to max. With short rests inbetween. I just got fed up with this approach and started to go for just maximum right away. I tend to hit similar times or slightly better this way. Still I feel i haven´t found the best way for me. I guess experementing is the way, trying out what is YOUR best way. Personally I feel I haven´t been experementing long enough to even have a clue what is beat. I have only found a way to be consistant at what I find are OK-times. Still I am in search for a way to reach my potential, it feels like I am doing 80-80% performances quite often.

Maybe it would be good for you to try training WITH your contractions for a while. Since they come early you might have to accept them as a part of your breathhold. Still, if you don´t, i think training with contractions will bring another dimention to your regular way.

I know I should train that way it's just that it's so boring to do static training and when I do static just by myself at home or during my classes I can't find enogh motovation to withstand the contractions. In the water I have no problem at al standing the contractions, then its just the "normal" urgue to breath thats hard to stand.

I guess you have trained to withstand your contractions? If you did how did you do it? I was advised some time ago here on d.net to do "negative" static on land or in water just for the contractions to come faster.

 

[perow1]

I have come to realize that one of the major factors of a breathhold is finding a routine that works. In search for my routine I have included just forcing myself to a good time. I would say that this has been my way to train to stay with the contractions. Probably the exhale holds will get you to the contractions erlier, but I find them a little different than full lung or full lung+packing contractions. Exhale holds are mentally good though since when you know you can hit X with an exhale hold X will not seem that long when you do a full lung static.

Actually training with contraction or what you call it hasn´t done very much to my PB, general training has done more. I can hit times close to my PB with many preparations. To me that is a STRONG indicator that I haven´t found a good preparation and that I probably will go much longer when I do. What this forceful method has done however is that it has given me the strenght to know that do not need to feel great during my static. A long static will feel uncomfortable and painful and boring at some stage, that is a fact. (even if i tend to remember good statics as easy and fun, but they are not really easy) I guess that experiments like this (or some other experiment) will do something for your PB because you will learn something about yourself useful in designing your method.

Personally I haven´t had time to try and evaluate nearly 10% of all the tricks out there. Theese things take time to evaluate and I guess I will have to go on doing this and be happy with the times I can hit until i learn more. I would say that I am glad that I haven´t been coached with a schematic method to reach say 7mins easy because than I might been keen on sticking to that method though not really right for me. Trying things has made me able to get close to theese times anyway and maybe when I find some good method by myself the time will add significantly to my PB. But ofcourse one should listen to and learn from other peoples methods.

 

[zabujco]

thank you for the answers.. 3 mins of contaractions... Freedivers just have to be masochists
anyway, knowing that this is possible I will try harder next time

 

[style]

Freedivers just have to be masochists

hell yeah! at least those guys following Sebastien Murats school

 

[naiad]

Freedivers just have to be masochists

That's what I think sometimes when I am fighting the urge to breathe, or going on a long train journey to my freediving club and getting into the cold pool. rofl

 

[wes]

Zabuco,

I have greatly benefited from doing full negative breath holds with reverse packing followed by a full breath hold max static attempt as follows. I was not taught this by anyone so have developed it my self though I have now heard other people do similar training:

Start by starting a stop watch and lying down to relax where you can see the stop watch without moving anything, even your head.

While resting with no movement breathe slowly until 5 min.

At 5:00 min with no exhale and no purge, ventillations or hyperventillations simply exhale all the air that you can. Then do negative packs in small bits to suck as much air out of you lungs as you can, its nice to space these out over time so lungs go completely sucked emply by 5:30. If you don't know how or aren't comfortable doing negative packs then simply exhale, you will get 95% the same affect and be safer as you can injure yourself with negative or positive packing!!

Keep holding your breath, contractions may start at 5:30 and get intense very quickly. Once you can hold thru 6:00 (1 min hold) you will notice that the contractions don't really get any worse, I mentally think while I watch the timer, you can do 10 more seconds, and 10 seconds later its really not any worse so I say, OK its not any worse, I can do 10 more seconds. I have done max 2:00 total hold this way and at the end my heart slows down alot and my face feels flush and tingles afterward. I have never blacked out doing this though its possible. It's possible you will only do 30 seconds to start, then try only 5 or 10 more seconds each day you try.

So whenever you stop the negative breath hold and inhale do recovery breathing and relax and go untill the timer says 10:00 to start your max breath attempt. So start your max breath hold at 10:00 min timer and then see how long you can go. This works well as you can see your time on the breathold by simply taking 10:00 off the timer, example 12:15 would be breath hole of 2:15 min. This allows me to not move anything which I think is very important. You will do much longer breath hold of course with full lungs and the contractions will not seem intense at all compared to the negative breath hold you just did. I think this is most effective for begginers/intermediates who are not yet comfortable with strong contractions.

This is not the best prep for doing max PB statics attmepts, this is good for training to get better at statics. It takes much less time each day than doing tables and gave very good results for me to allow me to be more relaxed during contractions in my breath hold so can go much longer for max statics (my PB is 5:45 min).

I will not say what is best way to do max PB statics as have read many different techniques and am still experimenting alot with different techniques so am not authority on this at all.

Cheers Wes