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Question for the Geeks

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island_sands

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How much can you see in someone else's computer? If you delete/change a password, is it all really in the registry (yahoo, for example):confused:

Can somebody else access your computer without your knowledge, and watch what you are typing? :rcard

If you connect your laptop to a LAN line, and download emails to Thunderbird/Outlook, is it true that the "IT WHIZZ" can view the headers (or even the whole body) of those emails? :confused:

HOW MUCH CAN THEY SEE?? :confused:

Enquiring minds want to know!

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Bigbrother-complex
 
Not being a true geek I can only comment on what has happened to us. We had some sweet person with a 000000 Ip address dump a Key logger ( Yep, sounds like what it is ) into my system and managed to get most of my passwords ( Bank ect ) and yes gain access to thunderbird ( my emails ) and other applications.

I had a hard and softwear firewall and 128 bit incription on the wireless network but they still managed to create a tunnel to all the Pc's on the network..

Joy and happyness!

It would appear that it was done to show me that my systems were not as secure as I thought and no dammage was done or money moved but it scared the hell out of me. If they want in they will do it.

Just my two cents.

Bryn
 
Not a geek, but key loggers do exist and are used by hackers.

Lucia
 
SL,

Computer security is something everyone should take seriously but there is a lot of mis-information out there.

Overall if you have a decent Anti-Virus and Firewall setup on your computers it will stop the majority of hackers. However this won't stop people trying to "social engineer" you into installing trojans, key-loggers, worms and viruses onto your computer. This is normally acheive via "spam" emails that force you to visit some site and download some software that then goes off and allows a "back-door" into your computer.

However - to answer some of your specific questions:
island_sands said:
How much can you see in someone else's computer? If you delete/change a password, is it all really in the registry (yahoo, for example):confused:
Passwords for online services generally aren't stored in plain-text anywhere. Normally it's encrypted in some way which isn't impossible to breach but is usually enough to stop casual hackers. IE does have a functionality to "remember your password" for logging on but all these things really require someone to have physical access to your computer to hack about.

Can somebody else access your computer without your knowledge, and watch what you are typing? :rcard
In theory yes - via a keylogger - however these don't just magically appear on your computer - they need to be either physically installed or hidden in another program somewhere. Normally a good Security package will detect if weird data is trying to be sent over the network and warn you.
If you connect your laptop to a LAN line, and download emails to Thunderbird/Outlook, is it true that the "IT WHIZZ" can view the headers (or even the whole body) of those emails? :confused:
Email is notoriously insecure. The way it works is to route the message through a number of "routers" across the world till it gets to your computer. Almost all email services allow administrators the ability to see the logs of email server (normally this contains From, To, CC, Subject and routing information) and if the administrator has high-enough clearance on the server they can see the whole message if it is still on that mail server. So at any point in time there are probably 12 - 50 computers at different points in the world being utilised to deliver you email and at each of those points there could be a breakdown of security.

However - is this really an issue. With so much data flying around the internet it is unlikely a hacker would know where to target. The most likely area of hacking would be the server where your mail is stored before being downloaded to your computer - however if it is a commercial service or a big name (like google, aol, etc..) it is highly unlikely that anyone would have the relevant security access.

To be honest - the best way hackers get access to accounts is the "brute force" way of guessing your password. Most people have terrible passwords that are easy to guess. Use a good combination of letters, numbers and punctuation in diferent CAPS to make the password hard to guess.

I wouldn't spend too much time worrying about how secure your services are so long as you use good commercial security sotware (such as mcafee, norton, etc...).
 
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Apparently we are having all kinds of new geeky stuff installed, including internet monitoring (some people have been surfing for porn rofl) and also apparently my boss can see what i am typing if he chooses to? :(

he might get a shock.. rofl
 
Hiya Sands,
Made it out of the sandbox and am relaxing in California... finally got access. As this stuff is what I do, here is my 2 bits.

As pointed out, good anti virus and firewall (from different vendors, not the same!) will do a lot to help. Common sense is also a BIG help.

To your questions!:
1. How much can you see in someone else's computer?
Everything is possible. I routinely repaired my fathers PC in the US from the middle east. This included watching as he "showed" me waht he was doing and problems he had, controlling <his> mouse and menus etc.
In short, if someone gets in, they can see everything. Hint-don't let them in in the first place.

2. If you delete/change a password, is it all really in the registry (yahoo, for example). If you save the passwords, they are on your system. IE and Firefox/Thunderbird/Outlook all offer an option to encrypt the passwords. I use this on this system I am typing on now with Firefox and Thunderbird. I have a "password file"that has all the passwords. When I start up, I 'open' this to the software to use. When I go to deeper blue, it takes my password for the site and enters it... makes it easier. I consider this an acceptable risk. I DO NOT STORE MY BANK PASSWORDS OR USER NAMES. These I type in manually and do not let be saved.

3. Can somebody else access your computer without your knowledge, and watch what you are typing?
Short answer, yes. See above, item 1
**NOTE that in your specific area, IT staff are NOTORIOUS for doing this, especially to women. I caught many IT Staff doing this there, especially to females. I found it a bit freaky.

4. If you connect your laptop to a LAN line, and download emails to Thunderbird/Outlook, is it true that the "IT WHIZZ" can view the headers (or even the whole body) of those emails?

Answer-Yes and no. Yours yes most likely, mine not. This is a setting issue. Mail normally travels insecurely by default. I for example, can see my fathers email being sent out the internet line I am using right now... every word, his login name, password, the works. (he is not using Yahoo/Hotmail, these encrypt the logins... somewhat) Your email client, Thunderbird, supports secure email which encrypts the transmission between your computer (e.g.; laptop) and the mail server if the server supports it. If your using Thunderbird with a pop or imap account, go to the settings for the account, click "server settings" and try clicking on the ssl. save exit, restart and try to see if it still works. You may have to accept a certificate. There are also TLS options which is security done a bit different. It all depends on what your server supports.

If using Hotmail etc with their encrytion, always select the secure option!

HOW MUCH CAN THEY SEE
all :) In the end, the truth is that all major countries can crack through the stuff I mention, even at near real time. Hackers, script kiddies, and the like including the IT folks in your country (and at your ISP most likely) play around and watch people for various reasons (my professional 16 years of security experience and 3 years in your region speaking here)

What can/should you do?
1. Always keep your system updated and patched.
2. Run a firewall and antivirus (from different not the same vendors)
*If norton has a vulnerability like recently and you have all your security based on norton, you have a problem until they fix it.)
3. Use high security settings, set your options to higher security in your browser, mail clients etc.
4. Don't blindly open attachements!
5. Backup your important files and mail regulary!!!!!!!! I will say that again, Backup your important files and mail regulary!!!!!!!! I am comfortable if my system is wiped out <right now> and can have it up by morning...
6. Change your passwords regulary (every couple of months) or if you think someone knows your password. Make sure you change it securely!! Use non-words. My last job I found 89% of 1500+ peoples passwords were easy to break (easy as in 20 minutes on a 486) Example of a "good" password that is harder to crack : 1H4rDp45sw0d Note no repeating characters and a good mix. No "real"words. 1 hard password. Pick one that roles easily off the fingers when typing though-that one is not easy to type! After a few tries, you will be able to type it fast. Also, use a separate password for your bank account and for your work account...

darn... I types a bit too much. Oh well, I am a security nut so oh well. Some may argue with my recommendations and thats fine but these are some good general practises that will stop 90% of your problems.
 
Just recieved this information, it may be of interest to anyone worried about getting spyware problems. It opens with powerpoint but is actually a 100% foolproof spyware checker, it wont remove it but it will show you if you have any malicious crap installed and shows you the problem. 100% safe to run :)
 
This "100% foolproof spyware checker" that is "100% safe to run" sounds a bit like a fishy attachment to me.:confused:
I would only use commercially available anti-spyware and anti-virus software.
 
Idle Hands...oops...I mean "Island Sands" said:
Apparently we are having all kinds of new geeky stuff installed, including internet monitoring (some people have been surfing for porn rofl) and also apparently my boss can see what i am typing if he chooses to? :(

Sounds like your boss is having a problem with online whackers, not hackers.
 
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Sounds like your boss is having a problem with online whackers, not hackers.
Nice one,
A while back a major national bank here had a new CEO and introduced major IT security protocols in the bank for the staff as companies are responsible for their employees recieving or seeing porn etc. Anyhow he must have peed off someone major in the IT dept as later in the year the national papers carried a leak about him surfing for escorts in a city he was due to go to. he resigned not long after ( still got a 2 million payout though ) I thought the funniest part was that no one person said this guy is being paid $$ so much a year didn,t he have better things to do with his time. Moral of the story keep some things seperate from work/.
 
yeah
i have found out subsequently that one of our top executives was surfing for porn from one of the other girls computers during lunchtime :D
he forgot to delete what he was doing and she came back to her desk rofl rofl

you'd never say we were a security company rofl
 
Spooky Stuff

this morning, i guy on one side of the room was typing, and his text was coming up on another girls screen opposite him...

we all FREAKED out - words Big Brother were coming out all over the place rofl rofl

Turns out it was because of the wireless keyboard connection? :confused:

FREAKY
GOD WHO ELSE CAN SEE WHAT I AM TYPING rofl

All my erotic msn's revealed to the boss rofl
 
Interesting thing the wireless problem with regards to security, it is supprising just how many people dont take any measures to secure their equipment in anyway. I know not all peripherals allow that but some do or at least some way of iscolating itself.
It never ceases to amaze me just how many peoples houses you can go and sit outside in your car and pick up thier wireless network connections, ie totally unsecured and how easy it is to access equipment beyond the router. If you have one and havent really looked at the settings, have a look at them and think about the words: admin & password. Pretty scary :) changing the password alone to something like an 8 character word with alphanumeric content or even with symbols $%^><?! will be practicly uncrackable and will stop 99.9% atempts to gain access to your system
 
It was actually quite amusing once when a friend and I sat with his laptop in a park nearby and discovered we can surf. I didn't even know home networks can go over 50 meters (nearest house). Because of that we later on kept the laptop open while driving to/fro and every minute or so another wireless network detected.
I disabled the wireless deivce in my dad's laptop hoping he won't need to worry about such stuff (he has a docking station with a modem).
 
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