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'Researchers: Dolphins use sponges as tools

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http://www.cnn.com/2005/TECH/science/06/06/dolphin.learning.ap/index.html:
Researchers: Dolphins use sponges as tools
WASHINGTON (AP) -- A group of dolphins living off the coast of Australia apparently teach their offspring to protect their snouts with sponges while foraging for food in the sea floor.

Researchers say it appears to be a cultural behavior passed on from mother to daughter, a first for animals of this type, although such learning has been seen in other species.

The dolphins, living in Shark Bay, Western Australia, use conically shaped whole sponges that they tear off the bottom, said Michael Kruetzen, lead author of a report on the dolphins in Tuesday's issue of Proceedings of the National Academy of Science.

"Cultural evolution, including tool use, is not only found in humans and our closest relatives, the primates, but also in animals that are evolutionally quite distant from us. This convergent evolution is what is so fascinating," said Kruetzen.

Researchers suspect the sponges help the foraging dolphins avoid getting stung by stonefish and other critters that hide in the sandy sea bottom, just as a gardener might wear gloves to protect the hands.

Kruetzen and colleagues analyzed 13 "spongers" and 172 "non-spongers" and concluded that the practice seems to be passed along family lines, primarily from mothers to daughters.

"Teaching requires close observation by the pupil," Kruetzen said. "Offspring spend up to four years before they are weaned, so they would have ample time to observe their mum doing it -- if she is a sponger."

"This study provides convincing evidence that the behavior is transmitted via social learning," commented Laela Sayigh of the University of North Carolina Center for Marine Science.

"Such social learning appears to be widespread among the Shark Bay dolphins," said Sayigh, who was not part of Kruetzen's team.

Only one male was observed using a sponge. Kruetzen noted that, as adults, male and female dolphins have very different lifestyles.

Adult males form small groups of two or three individuals that chase females in reproductive condition, he explained. "I would think that they do not have time to engage in such a time-consuming foraging activity as adults, as they are busy herding females."

Currently at the University of Zurich, Switzerland, Kruetzen was at the University of New South Wales, Australia, when the research was conducted. The work was funded by the Australian Research Council, the National Geographic Society, the W.V. Scott Foundation and the Linnaean Society of New South Wales.
I wonder if other dolphins will learn how to become "greenies"' and start yelling (or squeeking) at the others for destroying their natural resources...
 
Re: Researchers: Dolphins use sponges as tools.

Teach them to plant limpit bombs on the bottom of Japanese whaling boats.
 
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Yep
We should get those U.S navy trained ones and they can Nuke the Jap Whalers.
We have a major problem in our Southern Australian waters ( Antartic), The Japanese are allready taking hundreds of Minky Whales for what they call ''Scientific Research'' and now they are planning to take Hump Backs as well but we all know that Scientific Research is just BULL CRAP it all ends up on their Dinner Tables.
Its going to get Ugly they have a dont care we can do what we want attitude and we Australians are NOT going to put up with them pushing these Whales back close to extinction.
I for one will boycott their goods completly and dont bump into me if you are a Japanese Tourist i will tip your Shark fin soup all over you.
If Green Piece wants some one to man the Forward torpodoes just show me the big red button.
Sorry but this cuts right to the Core of Basic Human Decency so if you dont want to see Hundreds of Whales slaughtered for PROFIT and a Meal for the Rich then do what you can to Stop it.

Crusty
 
Re: Researchers: Dolphins use sponges as tools.

I agree with the posts above.
Culinary is not a science worth killing endangered mammals for.

But Crusty, please don't blame people for their government's policy, as an Israeli I've seen it too often.

If enough governments around the world didn't care so much about international relations (read "money") then it would've stoped already.
 
Re: Researchers: Dolphins use sponges as tools.

Problem is, most countries, US excepted have signed up to a little deal known as the Law of the Sea. This document guarantees right of passage and access to resources. Australia can't claim the entire southern ocean as its outside territorial limits.

So whaling is perfectly legal... :hmm

The International Whaling Commission set rules, true, but unless ratified by a countries legislature, there is no "law" as such.

Australia can ban whaling, and enforce it, inside territorial waters, by threat of warship if necessary. Outside that line... international law.

Personally I think the problem is too many countries are using words like "demand", "must", etc etc, which has annoyed the Japanese. They see their culture and atonomy as under threat, so they dig in their heels.

Crusty: Can you imagine if we tried to ban dugong and turtle hunting for the Aborigines? "Racist" would the first word used... :(
 
Re: Researchers: Dolphins use sponges as tools.

Personally I don't know what all the fuss is about. I mean, my Bottlenose Manitee Beluga Blubber Parfait with Vanilla Orange Creme is a hit at my new restaurant, The Rusty Harpoon.

Wake up, people! As most of y'all have probably read in Deep Thought's thread, these conniving animals are learing to use tools. It's only a matter of time till they learn how to rig snares. I'm a freediver myself, and this is quite alarming. Now I barely get in the water in fear of dolphins having fashioned a butterfly knife out of some poor lost diver's lower legbones and sternum.

I did some research in monthly magazine I subscribe to. Perhaps you've heard of "Men's Unregulated Whaling Advocate Monthly". In it, one whaler claimed to have seen a blue whale bite off his skipper's upper torso from the deck of his company's whaler during a breech. More of these seemingly less random, unprovoked assailments on whaling vessels have increased over the last 50 or so years of peaceful whaling practice and has the whaling industry scrambling for some kind of counteraction.

I've decided to join the fight against these underestimated foes from the deep. I've already paid for my online whaling course, and have sent off for a beginner harpoon which I plan to attach to my 10ft Boston Whaler. I'm going to start off with slow moving sea animals such as manitee and loggerhead turtles. When I become adequate in the skills of harpooning and netting, I'm going to sea.

It's time we wised up to these horrible monsters that pollute the ocean with noise, appear in the form of tattoos on our youths and in amateur murals on the sides of small town sea shell shops. They mock us by dousing us with water at marine mammal entertainment shows and they eat all of our precious krill!

Hey HEY! ho HO! Those mean ol' whales have GOT to GO!

What do we WANT?!
Delicious whales hunted to extinction!

When do we want it?!
NOW! With a side of orange tarragon demiglaze!

Anyone who takes this seriously, by the way, needs to have their cornhole checked for hypertension.
 
Re: Researchers: Dolphins use sponges as tools.

Show me the difference between a man eating a piece of cow and a man eating a piece of whale?
Both are offensive to different societies, Hindu's would be horrified at the thought of a nice juicy sirloin steak!
I personally think whaling has a part to play in the ecosystem based approach in vogue with fisheries managers worldwide.
Under IWC rules whaling is a legitimate activity and subject to strict scientific monitoring.
The whaling nations have some of the most Hi-tech traceability available including DNA tagging.
I fear that emotive language has clouded a lot of peoples judgement on this issue, please don't judge a whole race on the actions of a government.
Minke whales are super abundant and the amount taken is only a fraction of a sustainable catch.
Eating whale meat is far more environmentally-friendly than eating beef, lamb or pork. Harvesting nature's surplus means that biodiversity and habitat does not have to be destroyed and turned into agricultural land.
Whaling does not destroy the environment and is very energy efficient – producing beef requires much more energy than producing whale meat.
As free-range animals, whales are spared the prolonged suffering of factory-farm livestock.
 
Re: Researchers: Dolphins use sponges as tools.

And who doesn't like picking their teeth with narwhal horns when you're through with your Minkeburger?

Actually I'm not about to say anything for or against the matter. I kid around and all, but I've never actually had whale meat, nor knowingly used any whale product...except for that roll of baleen toilet paper....a little harsh on the ol' p'tooty if you ask me. But I don't really know enough about whaling to throw tofu at supporters from a Greenpeace boat. And the whole whale/sacred cow point is definitely something to keep in mind. What does whale meat taste like anyway?

I'm a creampuff when it comes to killing animals...expecially such wonderfully majestic creatures. I think that fish are the only kill I can really feel at ease about. Don't get me wrong. I've done some dove, duck and quail hunting in my day. I don't cry about it.

I mean, I'd get dove, bacon, and jalapeno juice in my eyes if I tried wiping my tears.

Mmmm. dove with bacon and jalapeno.

Hey, people gotta eat, though. And I don't know too many people that have successfully raised free range chickens in the north pole. I suppose sum'ms gotta die to feed something else. Overwhaling is a bad thing. Harvesting too much of one thing is just bad in general, folks.

All in all, I suppose nobody's above the food chain...except for me. Well, I do have a rather foul taste from years of heavy vodka consumption.
 
Re: Researchers: Dolphins use sponges as tools.

Back to the thread at hand. It's amazing how much alike we are to dolphins.

Why just yesterday, I was too lazy to bend over out of my kitchen chair. I managed to use one of my dirty socks and some clear adhesive tape to pick up some cheerios that had fallen out of my cereal bowl and onto the floor.

That adhesive tape pulled all those little dust balls off the cheerios when I shook the sock over the cereal bowl.

Intuition with a tasty, nutritional reward! Just like those spongin' dolphins!
 
Re: Researchers: Dolphins use sponges as tools.

Sorry i cant see how eating Cow/pig/Chicken is the same as eating a Whale.
We farm cows etc and they a not in a factory, Australia has allot of wide open space and you NEVER see cows crowded together eating their once dead brothers ( made cow desease ) all our beef produce is Very free Range eating grass in Paddocks about the size of the U.K That is why it is the Best in the world.
The Japanese are going to Hunt HUMP BACK whales and these are just getting their stock levels back from being almost totally wiped out years ago.
We have a major Whale Watching tourism industry that is being built around the Migration of Hump Backs yet another reason not to kill them.
The Japanese people are only told by their media what they need to know
so they live in ignorant bliss, If we Target Japanese Tourists with educational material ( and the odd bowl of Shark Fin Soup) they might take the message home and tell others , and by not purchasing their products we might get the message accross to their Government.
Please dont insult me by saying its the same as killing Domesticated Live Stock , Whales live in Highly Structured social groups that raise and teach their young and are allot more intellagent that a cow or pig or chicken.
The Majority of the Educated world does not support whaleing and see it as
Barbaric act that should be Stoped.
So before you order your Shark Fin soup and tuck into a piece of whale bluber
Stop and think what you are doing to our Planet

Crusty
 
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Shadowkiller
Dont get me started on Aboriginals Hunting Dugon and Turtells .
I lived up north and saw first hand and how they do it, they will shot ( with a gun) a Dugon or Turtle bring it up to the boat and slice a deep hole with a machete behind the Fin, then if the animal does not have enough fat in the Meat they will through it back to die a long painfull death and kill another and another till they get a good one.
But they call it Traditional Hunting and Yes i would be Branded a Racist if i tried to stop it.
I have spoken to C.A.L.M etc and they know all about it but cant/wont/to scared to stop it.
Im am Not A Racist i just see it how it is,

Crusty
 
Re: Researchers: Dolphins use sponges as tools.

a little side note
up here in wisconsin we milk cows and eat steers

right sinky?
 
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Huan said:
Show me the difference between a man eating a piece of cow and a man eating a piece of whale?
Both are offensive to different societies, Hindu's would be horrified at the thought of a nice juicy sirloin steak!
I personally think whaling has a part to play in the ecosystem based approach in vogue with fisheries managers worldwide.
Under IWC rules whaling is a legitimate activity and subject to strict scientific monitoring.
The whaling nations have some of the most Hi-tech traceability available including DNA tagging.
I fear that emotive language has clouded a lot of peoples judgement on this issue, please don't judge a whole race on the actions of a government.
Minke whales are super abundant and the amount taken is only a fraction of a sustainable catch.
Eating whale meat is far more environmentally-friendly than eating beef, lamb or pork. Harvesting nature's surplus means that biodiversity and habitat does not have to be destroyed and turned into agricultural land.
Whaling does not destroy the environment and is very energy efficient – producing beef requires much more energy than producing whale meat.
As free-range animals, whales are spared the prolonged suffering of factory-farm livestock.


I am afraid that Huan, is the only voice of reason, in this whole thread so far.
You don't have to be cruel to animals, nor should you treat animals as humans. Unless you are a vegan, you have NO BUSINESS criticizing japanese for killing sea ANIMALS.

Regulating hunting of species before they become endangered, is a good practice, but talking about torpedoes and mines and killing human beings, who are trying to make a living by harvesting meat, is plain stupid.

If you want to make a difference, be reasonable, or you will be dismissed by the majority of the people in the same way this majority of people dismiss the idiots from PETA.
 
Re: Researchers: Dolphins use sponges as tools.

a little side note
up here in wisconsin we milk cows and eat steers

right sinky?

Oh jeez. You mean you're not supposed to milk the steers, as well?

I was a vegan for a year and a half (not kidding. I had some Hindu friends at the time and loved their quisine).

That didn't stop me from finding tofu and wheat gluten-based imitation whale-nuggets at my local head shop's freezer section.

Actually, I do agree with the idea of it being an unfortunate coincidence that some of the smartest mammals in the sea do bear a whopping supply of meat, fat, and oils. But this topic is one of those things where the division line stays relatively in the same place, no matter how big the picture is.

I'm a little confused on where I stand, myself, folks.

I'm on the verge of either facing certain Birkenstock sandal salt-water stains at sea as I hurl egg substitute at mean whalers from my hybrid-powered, biodegradable pontoon boat..... or smearing camouflage grease on my face, rolling my cigar to the side of my mouth with my tongue and slinging a harpoon under each arm while I caribiner myself out in front of my troller listening to Manfred Mann's "Quinn the Mighty Eskimo", lookin' for a plump spouter.

Not really either, of course. Just trying to spoof either side.

In all seriousness...no, really.....I'd like to hear more opinion in the matter. And just to show my interest, I'll give this thread some stars, since I couldn't give good ol' Deep Thought some damned reputation for a good story. Let's keep all blows above the belt, folks.
 
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crusty said:
Im am Not A Racist i just see it how it is,

Crusty

My point exactly, but how often is a sensible suggestion rejected because of cultural context?

Beef and Whale may be different, but there is absolutely no difference between fish and whale. I suspect Minke whale stocks are in better shape than most commercial fish stocks.
 
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O.K lets forget about the Minke they have good stocks and have been hunted for Scientific taste tests for a while but it still shits me that they get killed.
The point i am Trying to make is they are NOW targeting HUMP BACK Whales and their numbers can NOT sustain any sort of Hunting.
These creatures have clawed themselves back from extinction by commercial hunting and now just when they are at a Healthy population , Hey what the heck lets do it agian just so one contries Ellite can eat them.
Im not going to Kill anyone over it dont take my Humour the wrong way, but i wont stand by and let it happen.
The Opions in this post might be different if it was happening on YOUR doorstep but its not its happening on mine, and if making a prick of myself to help stop the Killing is what it takes then What a BIG Prick i will be.
Every action has a Reaction if the Japanese kill Hump Backs then I wount be the Only Australian pissed of enough to do whatever it takes to stop it.
The Australian Government is doing what it can to stop it but the Japanese are buying the votes of small Pacific Nations to push it through.
With any luck it wont happen but if it does Deeper Blue is not the only place you will be reading about it.

Crusty
 
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crusty said:
O.K lets forget about the Minke they have good stocks and have been hunted for Scientific taste tests for a while but it still shits me that they get killed.
Exactly that is YOUR viewpoint not the Norwegian's Japanese, Faeroese,Icelandic USA, Canadian etc, viewpoint.
crusty said:
The point i am Trying to make is they are NOW targeting HUMP BACK Whales and their numbers can NOT sustain any sort of Hunting.
They are not the only country taking humpback whales.
Where is the information that you have that they cannot sustain ANY hunting?
Lets be rational about this you are posting opinion not fact if you care to elaborate on your information about the state of the Southern Ocean Humpback stocks then feel free to do so.Until then I prefer to take the scientific approach and let scientist's assess the stock.
crusty said:
These creatures have clawed themselves back from extinction by commercial hunting and now just when they are at a Healthy population , Hey what the heck lets do it agian just so one contries Ellite can eat them.
In your previous paragraph you state that Humpback whales cannot sustain any hunting yet here you claim that the stock is healthy? which is it?
Not only Japanese eat humpback, the St Vincent and Grenadines take 4 Humpback whales a year, and they are very definatly not the "Elite"

crusty said:
The Opions in this post might be different if it was happening on YOUR doorstep but its not its happening on mine, and if making a prick of myself to help stop the Killing is what it takes then What a BIG Prick i will be.
It is happening closer to Ireland than it is to Australia, In Norway, Iceland, Greenland and the Faeroes.
crusty said:
Every action has a Reaction if the Japanese kill Hump Backs then I wount be the Only Australian pissed of enough to do whatever it takes to stop it.
The Australian Government is doing what it can to stop it
Including threatening to withhold development aid from the Soloman Islands.

Please understand , you are entitled to your viewpoint regarding whaling and the taking of small cetaceans but that is all it is; your opinion.
In a lot of countries including the USA and Canada whaling is still practised and whale meat is eaten.
what is the problem with that? Again I suggest that it is merely your cultural and social mores which are driving your abhorrence of whaling not rational scientific justification.
 
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Ok Crusty, Huan end of first round back in your corners.
Sorry I was the one that started this with a little joke about teaching Dolphins to plant limpit bombs on whaling ships.

Oh bugger it why not weigh into the fight.

Although it is not always possible but where animals are slaughtered it is always done as humanely as possible. The harpooning of a huge animal like a whale that breathes air like we do, and then allow the poor creature to try and tow a ship until it fatigues and finally drowns or dragged on board semi concious and probably sliced up while it is still alive may be a custom in some countries.

I can understand that whales have been a source of food for some communities and community based hunting can be understood, but on a commercial basis because it is a delicacy is the same to me as cutting the fins off sharks and letting them drown.

Sorry Huan my friend I think Crusty is ahead on points after round one.

Come out punching after the bell guys.
 
Re: Researchers: Dolphins use sponges as tools.

Poida
You have to use facts when discussing things like whaling.
Firstly Harpooning whales and allowing them to tow a boat around until they fatigue is utter nonsense, that kind of stuff died out in the 19th century.
The use of Penthrite grenades ensures a quick end to any whale that is harpooned.
Dragged on board and sliced up while still alive? again false no-one in their right mind would go near a whale that was still alive on deck, quick way to get killed.
See, you use this emotive language with no regard to facts.
Why don't you and crusty just admit that you do not personally like whaling?
Japanese probably find the Australian custom of killing Kangaroo's for dogfood abhorrent too? Are you going to stop just because they are an air breathing marsupial?
I am sorry but I still have yet to see a valid reason why whaling should not continue and indeed increase for some species other than the fact that some people find it
distasteful.
 
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Huan said:
Show me the difference between a man eating a piece of cow and a man eating a piece of whale?
Both are offensive to different societies, Hindu's would be horrified at the thought of a nice juicy sirloin steak!

pity we cant breed whales like cows.
 
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