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'Researchers: Dolphins use sponges as tools
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Re: Researchers: Dolphins use sponges as tools.
Huan
You made some very valid points, but sorry mate I dont see it your way,
Im infulanced by the Australian Press and the Scientific figures they quote (which i havnt got time to go into ) and the Feeling in our community.
Its a Point that people will never agree on a bit like spearing on Scuba and no mater what you say I will believe that I am Right and so does the general population of Australia.
We could go back and forth for weeks and i doubt we would agree so lets agree to disagree .
I feel very passionatly about this and will do what it takes to stop it, You have to stand up for what you believe in so nows the time to stand up.
Crusty
Huan
You made some very valid points, but sorry mate I dont see it your way,
Im infulanced by the Australian Press and the Scientific figures they quote (which i havnt got time to go into ) and the Feeling in our community.
Its a Point that people will never agree on a bit like spearing on Scuba and no mater what you say I will believe that I am Right and so does the general population of Australia.
We could go back and forth for weeks and i doubt we would agree so lets agree to disagree .
I feel very passionatly about this and will do what it takes to stop it, You have to stand up for what you believe in so nows the time to stand up.
Crusty
Re: Researchers: Dolphins use sponges as tools.
This site and all of its members are great. What a wonderful discussion. I think everyone has stated their cases rather respectfully, too.
This site and all of its members are great. What a wonderful discussion. I think everyone has stated their cases rather respectfully, too.
Re: Researchers: Dolphins use sponges as tools.
hAAaaaR
They grow in a spot in south west Australia next to where all the Surf is so you used to get all these hippy/surfy/ferrals stumbling around the cow poo tripping on mushies with the jumpers full of Gold Tops.
But it got that popular dozens of people every day would be there, Mr Plod had to put and end to it , it was very amusing watching tripping hippies trying to explain that the mushrooms are just for soup and didnt know that they had a gold top and made the cows talk to you.
The good old days
Crusty
hAAaaaR
They grow in a spot in south west Australia next to where all the Surf is so you used to get all these hippy/surfy/ferrals stumbling around the cow poo tripping on mushies with the jumpers full of Gold Tops.
But it got that popular dozens of people every day would be there, Mr Plod had to put and end to it , it was very amusing watching tripping hippies trying to explain that the mushrooms are just for soup and didnt know that they had a gold top and made the cows talk to you.
The good old days
Crusty
Re: Researchers: Dolphins use sponges as tools.
Huan, if I stop drinking Guiness your country will go bankrupt, so don't pick on me.
So I don't know what I'm talking about, I thought it sounded good.
When Man has destroyed the World for money, he will then realise, you can't eat money!
Huan, if I stop drinking Guiness your country will go bankrupt, so don't pick on me.
So I don't know what I'm talking about, I thought it sounded good.
When Man has destroyed the World for money, he will then realise, you can't eat money!
Re: Researchers: Dolphins use sponges as tools.
Poida
I don't really mind if you stop drinking Guinness, it's now owned by Diageo a giant company that also owns Burger King, or Hungry Jacks in Australia
I don't think killing 440 whales out of a population of 780,000 is going to destroy the world, but who knows?
Crusty
"I will believe that I am Right and so does the general population of Australia."
I don't claim to speak for my country, just trying to put across a reasonable argument on an emotive issue.
If you speak for Australia no worries maybe you should run for John Howards job
slán go Fóil
Huan
Poida
I don't really mind if you stop drinking Guinness, it's now owned by Diageo a giant company that also owns Burger King, or Hungry Jacks in Australia
I don't think killing 440 whales out of a population of 780,000 is going to destroy the world, but who knows?
Crusty
"I will believe that I am Right and so does the general population of Australia."
I don't claim to speak for my country, just trying to put across a reasonable argument on an emotive issue.
If you speak for Australia no worries maybe you should run for John Howards job
slán go Fóil
Huan
Re: Researchers: Dolphins use sponges as tools.
Sorry mate, but I have to say something here.
Ive just spent the day working at the Australian Museum (fish section), and listened to 2 of the research scientists correcting a newspaper story. What a laugh! Best thing was, the reporter interviewed them (about a new scorpinae species), and then still got the facts wrong. Lucky the guy emailed the article through for correction prior to publishing. There wasn't a single paragraph that didn't contain some inaccuracy.
The Australian media (and worldwide media) has one agenda. To sell advertising space. Period. So they sensationalise, misquote and plain out bullsh!t. Think of the GNS issue. The figure you see used on the news (300-400) is the WORST case scenario. Fisheries uses different figures in their study papers when estimating extinction rates etc.
:hmm
crusty said:
Sorry mate, but I have to say something here.
Ive just spent the day working at the Australian Museum (fish section), and listened to 2 of the research scientists correcting a newspaper story. What a laugh! Best thing was, the reporter interviewed them (about a new scorpinae species), and then still got the facts wrong. Lucky the guy emailed the article through for correction prior to publishing. There wasn't a single paragraph that didn't contain some inaccuracy.
The Australian media (and worldwide media) has one agenda. To sell advertising space. Period. So they sensationalise, misquote and plain out bullsh!t. Think of the GNS issue. The figure you see used on the news (300-400) is the WORST case scenario. Fisheries uses different figures in their study papers when estimating extinction rates etc.
:hmm
Re: Researchers: Dolphins use sponges as tools.
So far Huan was able to explain his convictions and back them up with facts.
The same can't be said about the rest of the responses here. Using sensationalism and questionable, or outright wrong facts and figures just doesn't work well. Emotional appeals that are not backed by the facts and reason will take you only so far.
Again, good job Huan !
So far Huan was able to explain his convictions and back them up with facts.
The same can't be said about the rest of the responses here. Using sensationalism and questionable, or outright wrong facts and figures just doesn't work well. Emotional appeals that are not backed by the facts and reason will take you only so far.
Again, good job Huan !
Re: Researchers: Dolphins use sponges as tools.
ARRRR BITE ME Haun
For some one who lives half way around the world how the hell would you know what the AUSTRALIAN PEOPLE think. Unless you live hear you havnt got a clue because the only way you get your information is from the press and do you trust that.
I live In AUSTRALIA im involved in my Community and have freinds and i pay close attention to all forms media both for and against the issue and the Austrailan people are TOTALLY agianst any form of Whale Killing .
We just had a pod of False Killer Whales strand themselves on a beach last week and over 1000 peaple came out to help, and all but one were rescued, not bad considering it was in the South West near a small town and it all happened in one Day.
Shadow Killer made the point that the Media in Inacurate and it is but this is not a Scientific issue it is about Air Breathing Mamuals that live in a highly structured family group being killed for food !!!! no science in it just common sence that it is wrong.
In Australis we eat animals that are Farmed and if you want to pick on us eating roos, well the best roos feed on the same grass in the same paddock as our beef, there are hundreds of thousands of them and we dont eat allot of Roo most people have never even tried it, why eat roo when you can eat beef.
You can quote all the facts you like and if you live like that well god help you
this is not about Fact its about Killing HUMP BACK WHALES,
We yes WE in Australia belive it is WRONG and will fight to stop it happening in our back yard and if you dont agree well BAD luck.
Crusty
ARRRR BITE ME Haun
For some one who lives half way around the world how the hell would you know what the AUSTRALIAN PEOPLE think. Unless you live hear you havnt got a clue because the only way you get your information is from the press and do you trust that.
I live In AUSTRALIA im involved in my Community and have freinds and i pay close attention to all forms media both for and against the issue and the Austrailan people are TOTALLY agianst any form of Whale Killing .
We just had a pod of False Killer Whales strand themselves on a beach last week and over 1000 peaple came out to help, and all but one were rescued, not bad considering it was in the South West near a small town and it all happened in one Day.
Shadow Killer made the point that the Media in Inacurate and it is but this is not a Scientific issue it is about Air Breathing Mamuals that live in a highly structured family group being killed for food !!!! no science in it just common sence that it is wrong.
In Australis we eat animals that are Farmed and if you want to pick on us eating roos, well the best roos feed on the same grass in the same paddock as our beef, there are hundreds of thousands of them and we dont eat allot of Roo most people have never even tried it, why eat roo when you can eat beef.
You can quote all the facts you like and if you live like that well god help you
this is not about Fact its about Killing HUMP BACK WHALES,
We yes WE in Australia belive it is WRONG and will fight to stop it happening in our back yard and if you dont agree well BAD luck.
Crusty
Re: Researchers: Dolphins use sponges as tools.
crusty,
If I was to use your logic;
Since Huan, lives in Ireland, or as you put it - "half way around the world", how would you know that he doesn't know "what AUSTRALIAN PEOPLE think" ?
rofl
crusty,
If I was to use your logic;
Since Huan, lives in Ireland, or as you put it - "half way around the world", how would you know that he doesn't know "what AUSTRALIAN PEOPLE think" ?
rofl
Re: Researchers: Dolphins use sponges as tools.
come on guys.... cool down a little.... keep to the topic and dont get personal...
:girlie :girlie
come on guys.... cool down a little.... keep to the topic and dont get personal...
:girlie :girlie
Re: Researchers: Dolphins use sponges as tools.
Tss. Yeah, no kiddin' Sander.
Um, It seems that my pat on y'all's backs seemed to be the obligatory "Tap on head to fire bazookas". Ha ha ha
We got the real Hatfields and McCoys here, Island.
Please omit my post #21 from here on in. It is getting rather personal. Love both of your styles but....this here's a thread that started from Flipper's mum givin' Flipperette the lowdown on the sponge, to Ireland vs Australia in a cage match.
Hey Sands and Deep, I dunno about you, but from now on...I'm considering using a scrub-sponge on my nose to dig for change in my couch. I've been pierced by too many long forgotten petrified popcorn kernels to learn that lesson twice.
Tss. Yeah, no kiddin' Sander.
Um, It seems that my pat on y'all's backs seemed to be the obligatory "Tap on head to fire bazookas". Ha ha ha
We got the real Hatfields and McCoys here, Island.
Please omit my post #21 from here on in. It is getting rather personal. Love both of your styles but....this here's a thread that started from Flipper's mum givin' Flipperette the lowdown on the sponge, to Ireland vs Australia in a cage match.
Hey Sands and Deep, I dunno about you, but from now on...I'm considering using a scrub-sponge on my nose to dig for change in my couch. I've been pierced by too many long forgotten petrified popcorn kernels to learn that lesson twice.
Re: Researchers: Dolphins use sponges as tools.
Crusty
We live in a world where people don't mind killing people, I suppose were not near extinction so by some accounts that seems OK, so I don't think that we will even be able to start to get other nationalities to understand that killing a beautifull wild animal so some rich nob head can have some poofy little nibbly before their main meal is wrong.
But Crusty we live in a country where we don't kill our wildlife, where even our fishing is done on an "only catch what you can eat basis." A country of multiculturalism where people of different nationalities live side by side as brothers, where different religions are respected.
We live in love and in harmony with nature.
That is why Australia does not have any major natural disasters.
Because God loves us.
Crusty
We live in a world where people don't mind killing people, I suppose were not near extinction so by some accounts that seems OK, so I don't think that we will even be able to start to get other nationalities to understand that killing a beautifull wild animal so some rich nob head can have some poofy little nibbly before their main meal is wrong.
But Crusty we live in a country where we don't kill our wildlife, where even our fishing is done on an "only catch what you can eat basis." A country of multiculturalism where people of different nationalities live side by side as brothers, where different religions are respected.
We live in love and in harmony with nature.
That is why Australia does not have any major natural disasters.
Because God loves us.
Re: Researchers: Dolphins use sponges as tools.
I am not going to discuss this subject any further as it seems that once cornered on a subject , it turns personal and I do not wish to drag this board down to their level.
I do not wish to delve into politics as it is expressly forbidden on the boards charter.
So I will leave this discussion with my head high having failed to elicit any form of rational argument from either party.
I am not going to discuss this subject any further as it seems that once cornered on a subject , it turns personal and I do not wish to drag this board down to their level.
I do not wish to delve into politics as it is expressly forbidden on the boards charter.
So I will leave this discussion with my head high having failed to elicit any form of rational argument from either party.
Re: Researchers: Dolphins use sponges as tools.
Anyway Huan, thanks for chatting to us, hope you had a whale of a time.
I said we were loving and in tune with nature, never said we were rational, that's for geeks.
Can't see the accusations you made being rational, to be sure to be sure.
Bye
Anyway Huan, thanks for chatting to us, hope you had a whale of a time.
I said we were loving and in tune with nature, never said we were rational, that's for geeks.
Can't see the accusations you made being rational, to be sure to be sure.
Bye