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Save Our Bass

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Old Man Dave

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Some of you might remember a thread last year about massive overfishing of shoals of breeding bass off the west coast of Guernsey in the English Channel UK. Well they're at it again.

Please take time to read this excellent letter sent to the local Guernsey newspaper today. Then weep in despair and try your best to support us and for Gods sake try to help us stop this madness.

Dave

http://www.thisisguernsey.com/discus/messages/11779/12050.html?1143126719
 
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Guernsey is a very close knit community & on that basis the author of that disturbingly effective letter, has in fact toned down his original wording in fear of personal repercussions! Any Deeper Blue member who takes the trouble to write to the Guernsey press would be deeply appreciated by us fellow spearos. I have posted letters to the paper openly showing my name because I feel so strongly about the Bass Murder taking place. However, non- residing individuals who have had letters published are able to show it is not only the Guernsey man who will be affected by this outrageous situation. So please make the effort to express your disgust through our local paper, it will make a difference.
 
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Well after reading the letter by Rapala9 i had to write a short letter to the Guernsey newspaper.I had spoken to 1 shot 1 kill today about our proposed trip this summer but i can't say i would like to visit with the intention of bass fishing :naughty When commercial fishing is under the spotlight like this it tends to shine on all fishing big and small...

Hope they see sense soon i was looking forward to coming over and trying out the smoker....
 
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I have emailed them direct:

Dear Sirs,

I have read via forum messages of the current fishing of spawning bass off the Guernsey coast. How sad that we can never learn from past mistakes (Cod nearly extinct in North Sea). I have read that certain individuals see nothing is wrong because of the huge volumes of bass. Do these people think this will last forever? Cod were once so plentiful off the Eastern coast of the USA that it was said you could walk over the backs of them to shore. These fishing grounds collapsed due to the pressures from commercial fishing. As a diver of many years experience off the south and south-west coast of the UK I see less and less bass every year; and much smaller too! Pair-trawling commercial boats have been partly responsible I’m sure but having read what is going on off the coast of Guernsey then this too is having an impact. My small token of protest is not to visit Guernsey until I can see sensible measures being taken to protect spawning bass. Kill all the parents whilst they are trying to reproduce, that’s a sensibly managed fishing policy!
 
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Keep up the good work Dave. We're all trying... I don't intend to go quietly!!

Andy
SACN Regional Executive (Channel Islands)
 
Folks we would like to ask for your support again on this subject, please read through this thread & watch this short vid [ame=http://s257.photobucket.com/albums/hh201/mrfishjersey/?action=view&current=GsyJan08.flv]GsyJan08.flv - Video - Photobucket - Video and Image Hosting[/ame]
You can see the amount of boats tussling for position so they can kill a few more of our precious bass stocks.
Andy (ADM) is normally up to speed on the situation & perhaps he can give us some up to date figures but if you can just read though the above post & especially the links to the letters that have already been posted in our local paper.
As far as I know nobody knows where these bass come from or where the survivors go but it is unlikely the bass are resident in Guernsey - the breeding bass that are being killed could easily be from your area!!!
Perhaps between us we can get together a few facts & then send a barrage of letters to our Guernsey paper & politicians, any letters especially from people outside of our Island will be very helpful in our campaign to get this stopped.
Mart.
 
Copied from Guernsey 2009 from a few days ago

"Was talking to one of the commercial anglers fishing the winter (breeding cycle) bass fishery at the Boue Blondel. Two anglers, one boatand over 300kg of bass for their day. Working 3 hook rigs at times and landing double figure bass 3 at a time.

It's a bloody disgrace. Should be stopped tomorrow (well yesterday really). Sea fisheries should be held accountable for their pathetic lack of thought for conservation and blind support of the commercials. Makes my blood boil."

Dave
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Oragnized protest is required to bring this kind of devastation to the attention of the government and in to the public eye. Any ideas of starting a petition for those in opposition to sign?
 
Crikey it sure is busy out there - are they all commercial boys or are there any recreational boats in there too?
 
I think if we can send some letters to the "dear sir" in our local paper that would be the most effective.
If our politicians start to see letters appearing from people outside of our island they will realise the news is spreading & that is not the sort of publicity they would like!
Our local sea-fisheries have the power to regulate the situation but they just dont seem to see this as a problem!
I am hopping ADM can bring us up to date rather than me speculating so if we can just hold fire with any dear sir letters until we have some more facts......
 
Blimey, keep mentioning my name!! Scary...

Anyway, I think the situation is much the same as previous years, loads of bass, loads of commercial boats fishing for them, boats which trawl, rod and liners, potters using the rods, part timers risking it in the rough waters etc etc etc.

One interesting fact is that the Skipper of Amy Blue, pretty much our biggest trawler, lost his trawl on the Boue the other week (a Boue is Guernsey Patois for reef for the non Guerns and this particular reef is pretty much a single pinnacle coming up from the deeps). He did get it back the next day but it was apparently in a bad way. Such a shame for him... :friday:friday:friday

The fish are there in good numbers but not as many as previous years from what I hear. The Jersey boat caught bass record has been claimed by a fish supposedly caught at the Guernsey spawning mark, only a small fish though of 16 something. The best fish on rod and line have been in excess of 22lb in weight. No commercial is brave enough to claim the Guernsey record with a spawning fish, and anyway, they would have to stop fishing to do that... Much more money in fishing for a few more hours.

I have stepped down from conservation roles I was running as I simply don't have the time anymore but I obviously have an interest as an angler who mainly fishes for bass, been 4 times this year already.

Unfortunately, I think that any kind of protest is a lost cause as it always comes back to the argument that you are taking away someones income at a lean time of year. The fact that:

1. How did they survive before the breeding fish were found?
2. What will they do when the fish are gone?

Doesn't seem to matter. Fill your boots boys.....

The problem is that our sea fisheries seems to have completely collapsed under bureaucracy. The commercials I have spoken to say they are struggling with the new licenses being given (as in free) out by SFC (including a pair trawl one), the fact that sea fisheries is allowing foreign boats inside the 3 mile limit, the fact that they cocked up and allowed the 12 mile limit to be disbanded which is now open to all and sundry as a black fish area and who knows what else they have done that I can't think of... Pretty much the same deal as anglers get, the SFC don't give a flying **** what goes on anymore. Sad but seems to be true.

And then to top it off, any criticism of SFC doesn't get you anywhere and they block you out completely as they are "doing their best with limited resources". I also have it on very good authority that the Guernsey Law officers (they make the laws for approval etc and advise the govn't on laws and prosecution cases to get the right laws etc etc) are very short staffed, budget cuts mean they can't get more staff, they are up to their eyeballs in work but will give priority to certain cases which they get most of. So where do we start??

Local people are awfully gullible as well, hence Guernsey Donkeys!! They see line caught bass for sale, great!! It's not trawled so therefore it's good for me to buy it!! Ask the fishmonger and are they going to tell you it was spawning when caught? Not likely as it will affect his sales.

The problem seems to be in making non fishy people understand and care enough to do something about it long term.

BUT, it's more than locals as most of the bass are landed in Carteret in France, they have also been landed in Brixham and Peterhead to try and get the prices. The UK charter vessels have started to cotton on to this and are making the cross channel trip to land their punters the "bass of a lifetime" telling them that the fish are Guernsey bass. Well they aren't. The tagging program told SFC that the fish come from all over and as far away as Belgium and the Saalcombe estuary from re-capture info. BUT, it's all gone rather quiet on the tagging results, maybe too many were re-caught locally!!!

I have no idea what to do.......:crutch
 
Would it be worth contacting MEPs and /or European fisheries officials? Attacking a breeding stock in a breeding area must be a conservation issue and if these fish are from the South coast of England and from European coasts it ought to be of concern to them.
 
I honestly think we will end up with a fishing license & catch limit arrangement for recreational fishing in the near future - I'm not qualified to talk about any new arrangements for commercial fishery - but fishing the spawning grounds surely should have a conservational ban though - it just makes no sense to me.

I have actually been aboard recreational boats where large numbers of Bass have been taken (50+ in a day) - rod and line fishing is much more productive than spearfishing. This goes on throughout the summer unchecked and maybe I shouldn't worry about it but the numbers are always so much higher than I am used to with a spearo background that I wonder if it is having a negative impact on stocks. Just an observation - maybe it isn't representative. I know there is much more care taken in Southern Ireland with a closed season and a bag limit. I wouldn't be surprised to see something similar for the UK.
 
It would be nice to see that enforced James - but as you know much, much more will be required of the commercial guys. Look at the striped bass fishery in the states, it was revived from dire straights and is now thriving due to sensible management.

Striped Bass

I know the life cycle is different to our bass but if the government did care, something could be done.
 
I honestly think we will end up with a fishing license & catch limit arrangement for recreational fishing in the near future

A month or so ago there was an article in the Guardian flagging up exactly this issue. The government are looking into it apparently due to an exponential growth in the popularity of recreational sea fishing and estimates of the sheer tonnage of fish being caught by recreational anglers in UK coastal waters annually. As spearos we should be aware of this and the image spearfishing tournaments present to policymakers.

As regards the massacre of spawning Bass ... What I find most shocking is that year-in year-out inaction by the fisheries makes this an acceptable event by default. It would not take much to establish this as a deeply unfashionable practice. However, the problem would be elevating the issue to a level where fisheries and MEPs are forced to be proactive.

I hate the stench of corruption and, like Cod stocks and scallop dredging, legislation often does'nt change until it's either too late or research is commissioned into the effect of a paricular practice on fish stocks (which can, in turn, often provide a sop to the industry).

The oxygen of publicity may help save our Bass.
 
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