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Scientists say dolphins should be treated as 'non-human persons'

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Scientists say dolphins should be treated as 'non-human persons' - Times Online

Dolphins have been declared the world’s second most intelligent creatures after humans, with scientists suggesting they are so bright that they should be treated as “non-human persons”.

Studies into dolphin behaviour have highlighted how similar their communications are to those of humans and that they are brighter than chimpanzees. These have been backed up by anatomical research showing that dolphin brains have many key features associated with high intelligence.

The researchers argue that their work shows it is morally unacceptable to keep such intelligent animals in amusement parks or to kill them for food or by accident when fishing. Some 300,000 whales, dolphins and porpoises die in this way each year.

“Many dolphin brains are larger than our own and second in mass only to the human brain when corrected for body size,” said Lori Marino, a zoologist at Emory University in Atlanta, Georgia, who has used magnetic resonance imaging scans to map the brains of dolphin species and compare them with those of primates.
“The neuroanatomy suggests psychological continuity between humans and dolphins and has profound implications for the ethics of human-dolphin interactions,” she added.

Dolphins have long been recognised as among the most intelligent of animals but many researchers had placed them below chimps, which some studies have found can reach the intelligence levels of three-year-old children. Recently, however, a series of behavioural studies has suggested that dolphins, especially species such as the bottlenose, could be the brighter of the two. The studies show how dolphins have distinct personalities, a strong sense of self and can think about the future.

It has also become clear that they are “cultural” animals, meaning that new types of behaviour can quickly be picked up by one dolphin from another.

In one study, Diana Reiss, professor of psychology at Hunter College, City University of New York, showed that bottlenose dolphins could recognise themselves in a mirror and use it to inspect various parts of their bodies, an ability that had been thought limited to humans and great apes.

In another, she found that captive animals also had the ability to learn a rudimentary symbol-based language.

Other research has shown dolphins can solve difficult problems, while those living in the wild co-operate in ways that imply complex social structures and a high level of emotional sophistication.

In one recent case, a dolphin rescued from the wild was taught to tail-walk while recuperating for three weeks in a dolphinarium in Australia.

After she was released, scientists were astonished to see the trick spreading among wild dolphins who had learnt it from the former captive.

There are many similar examples, such as the way dolphins living off Western Australia learnt to hold sponges over their snouts to protect themselves when searching for spiny fish on the ocean floor.

Such observations, along with others showing, for example, how dolphins could co-operate with military precision to round up shoals of fish to eat, have prompted questions about the brain structures that must underlie them.

Size is only one factor. Researchers have found that brain size varies hugely from around 7oz for smaller cetacean species such as the Ganges River dolphin to more than 19lb for sperm whales, whose brains are the largest on the planet. Human brains, by contrast, range from 2lb-4lb, while a chimp’s brain is about 12oz.

When it comes to intelligence, however, brain size is less important than its size relative to the body.

What Marino and her colleagues found was that the cerebral cortex and neocortex of bottlenose dolphins were so large that “the anatomical ratios that assess cognitive capacity place it second only to the human brain”. They also found that the brain cortex of dolphins such as the bottlenose had the same convoluted folds that are strongly linked with human intelligence.

Such folds increase the volume of the cortex and the ability of brain cells to interconnect with each other. “Despite evolving along a different neuroanatomical trajectory to humans, cetacean brains have several features that are correlated with complex intelligence,” Marino said.

Marino and Reiss will present their findings at a conference in San Diego, California, next month, concluding that the new evidence about dolphin intelligence makes it morally repugnant to mistreat them.

Thomas White, professor of ethics at Loyola Marymount University, Los Angeles, who has written a series of academic studies suggesting dolphins should have rights, will speak at the same conference.

“The scientific research . . . suggests that dolphins are ‘non-human persons’ who qualify for moral standing as individuals,” he said.
 
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Dolphins have been declared the world’s second most intelligent creatures after humans.


I beg to disagree. It's women.........................:chatup :rcard
 
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If women are second, who's first. Don't try to tell me it's the male of the species, Spag. You'll get us all in a heap of trouble.
 
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If women are second, who's first. Don't try to tell me it's the male of the species, Spag. You'll get us all in a heap of trouble.

Then it must be Dolphins first only for peace in the family?
Should we shame ourselves saying that a damn' fish ( ;) ) is smarter than us only in order not to upset the missus? NO WAY! :martial
 
Not that I'm an American, but some say that when slavery was abolished with the 14th Constitutional amendment, the slaves were not raised to the level of the masters, but all were lowered to the level of slave. Now nearly all the American people there think they need government permission to marry for instance. Government permission to own an firearm, government permission to operate a vehicle, etc. Who is the master in this relation?

I understand the good intentions people will see in the proposition, but at the same time it will turn fishing into a legal nightmare. Probably not for those mega trawlers who will have a loophole or ten to sail through.

Sometimes I get the impression the vegetarians are starting to rule the world, and eating protein rich food - good for the brain - is considered a sin, for the human resources of the world.
 
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Largest brain in the world? - Sperm whale
Largest brain relative to body size? - Shrew

Interestingly Neanderthals had a larger brain than modern humans as did Cro-Magnon man (homo sapien circa 40k BC). Humans brains are shrinking... lack of use perhaps?
 
Let's slow down a bit.

It is not brain mass to body mass that counts, as mouse or even small birds will have huge ratio (and we know they are not that intelligent - unless they are so intelligent that they successfully trick us). It is now something called encephalisation ratio. It perhaps does not state it very clearly in the article quoted by DeepThought, but it looks to me that EQ is implicitly in there.

As far as smaller cranial capacity is concerned - it is huge step from here to stating something about the intelligence. For example, women have smaller cranial volume than men, but there is no difference in intelligence, due to denser neurone packing (spago, feel free to comment). :D

Even though cranial volume has slightly decreased last few tens of thousands of years, it could be that packing density of neurons and neural nets is increasing for all we know. We need to be careful before drawing any conclusions yet.
 
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I recall that this came up as in issue for apes/primates while I was living in the USA in the late 1990s. There was an academic, I think a Massachusetts professor [I think he was a law professor from Harvard (not Alan Dershowitz) but perhaps from MIT - probably this guy: Steven M. Wise] arguing that some human rights should be extended to apes. We laughed about it at first (how would deal with murder of/by an ape? benefit payments? etc.) but I think we all in the end agreed that we already recognize that there is something special about these animals - they are often remarkably human/child-like (and I think most/many people feel the same way about the sea mammals: dolphins, whales, etc. and other large mammals such as elephants).

Should apes have human rights? -BBC

[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Ape_Project"]Great Ape Project[/ame]
 
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Watch Mischka. He loves you! :mad:

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXo3NFqkaRM]YouTube - Husky Dog Talking - " I love you "[/ame]
 
Elephant makes great biltong. Not as good as buffalo, but close. It's a bit gamey for some people though.
 
Doesn't pretty much everything make great biltong??
Pretty much, but some meats are better suited than others. The tougher the better, in my opinion. Ostrich is pretty damn good. You can get chicken biltong back in SA now if you're feeling brave and don't mind the threat of biological weapon levels of Salmonella.

Kruger is a good place to go to if you want to eat a strange assortment of exotic animals. Whatever they have to cull at the time get turned into biltong and sold, or at least it used to. It's been a while, so who knows.

Anyway, back on topic. I don't think dolphins would make good biltong. Too oily.
 
“If you saw two guys named Hambone and Flippy, which one would you think liked dolphins most? I'd say Flippy, wouldn't you? You'd be wrong though. It's Hambone.” - Jack Handey
 
I'm sorry but I'm really unimpressed with this thread. There are a lot of people engaged in the sciences and on any given day you can usually get at least one or two of them to say damned near anything. What this news item really says is that some journalist was having a slow day so he/she decided to ask some intensely involved cetologists a loaded question and then printed the result. Big Whoopee! Ever seen dolphin mating behavior? Do you really think that should be treated as human equivalent?
 
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So how's dolphins' mating behaviour?

Two males usually rape a female.

However, I think it is completely irrelevant in the context, as we are talking about intelligence, not about morality.

As far as morality is concerned, you won't find two humas with identical opinions on everything.
 
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'Ever seen dolphin mating behavior? Do you really think that should be treated as human equivalent?'
Hey Sarge. When's the last time you went to 'frat' party? Same difference.
 
'Ever seen dolphin mating behavior? Do you really think that should be treated as human equivalent?'
Hey Sarge. When's the last time you went to 'frat' party? Same difference.

No it ain't, the female dolphins aren't drunk. :D
 
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