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ScubaPro Twin Jet Fins, Full foot

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Morg

Georgian Bay Freediver
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Hey I was just wondering what you guys think of this fin? Its pretty interesting the design and I was wondering if they are any good.

Also I have a question about the full fin vs the boot type. Are there any benifits or dis-advantages to either? I have swam with the full foot and I don't see any problem with them but when I used the boot type I noticed that my feet kill after. The boot fins might have been too tight.

Heres a link to view them
http://www.scubapro.com/products/fms/f_twin_jet_full/f_twin_jet_full.asp
 
Hi Morg,

You haven't shared your style of diving yet. These probably aren't bad for surface to moderate depth diving. I wouldn't take them very deep, though.

I will share that I started with Omer Millenium fins (plastic with full foot pocket) and they were great above about 75ft. I got well below 120ft once and the lack of performance of a plastic fin was quite noticeable as my ascent was significantly hampered by the blade overflexing when I tried to stereo kick. I corrected by purchasing a pair of Special Fins CarbonFiber Pros and now have all the fin I need for the ranges I operate in.

www.specialfins.com

The difference between a carbon fiber longfin and any other is like night and day. That isn't to say that other fins, like the Garas or some of the Mares dual use fins, can't perform because they do. Martin Stepanek and others have done record dives with the Garas as well as Special Fins and Spetton blades. The Mares and your split fins are not deep water fins, though. Put on a Spetton C4 or a Special Fin that fits well and is calibrated to your strength level and you will be quite satisfied with the improvement in performance.

Regarding footpockets, a full footpocket with an appropriate neoprene sock bootie (3-5mm) to make it nice and comfortable and a fin keeper to insure that it stays on when your neoprene compresses at depth is probably a better choice. Get your feet sized correctly, most finpockets are in European sizes. The Omers come in two size increments so when you try them on, they will either fit like a glove or they won't. Better if they don't, you can use the sock bootie to compensate and fit perfectly. When I order fins and footpockets I order two sizes of neoprene sock (3 and 5mm) and either keep it or use it for the odd sized gear set to get a friend going (more people in the water, more choices for the sharks!)

The really cool thing about it is that if you purchase Omer footpockets, you can use all kinds of different blades with it. Spettons and Special Fins both use Omer footpockets as do many others. You can simply purchase blades to insert in the footpockets. Pretty nifty. And an inexpensive way to upgrade. I bought my Omer Milleniums as a set and purchased only the Special Fins blades and saved a hundred bucks or so.

As I recall, one of the Scuba supply places was offering a $199 package for a pair of Omer Milleniums, sock booties, snorkel and an Omer Alien or Abyss mask (all pretty good stuff for the guy that is breaking into freediving).

Because freediving is so organic and fluid compared to tank diving, it is always to good to think about how your equipment attaches to you. It should be like a comfortable glove and give you ultimate control in the water. No looseness, no tightness, no discomfort.



Lungfish
 
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Thanks lungfish for the advice... I am now going to wait and see how I do at freediving before I buy the special stuff.

For my techuique I use mainly the scizor kick and the dolphfine kick some times.
 
Hi Morg,

The split fins concept is an interesting one. Maybe, one of these days, a freediving fin will be designed which incorporates this concept. However, as of now, they don't get good reviews from DB members. Any decent longfin should out perform them (for freediving).

Lungfish gave some good advice, especially on foot pockets and changing blades. The best bang for the buck that I know of is a set of footpockets and waterway blades. They will cost more than Cressi's, another good set of fins, but the advantage of changing blades is large.

I don't have any experiance with open heel foot pockets on free diving fins, but the general consensus seems to be full foot is better.

All this aside, comfortable fit is paramount and which foot pocket is best for you is hard to determine without wearing them.

Good luck

Connor
 
I'll say it: Split fins suck!

They are useless for freediving and even scuba diving. It's just a gimmick by the dive industry to sell expensive crap to an unknowing public. A bit harsh, but you can get a much better fin for less money.

I've used them, as well as Force Fins, and we have people bring them to play underwater hockey in every once in a while and it only takes a few minutes before they realize that they would be much better off with a cheap pair of snorkeling fins compared to split fins- or force fins.

If someone tries to sell them to you for freediving then it's time to find a new diveshop.

I used to have a pair of the Cressi Garra's fins with openheel foot pockets and they didn't work as well as the closed heel ones. A closed heel footpocket will transfer energy much better to the blade. I you dive in cold water, like I do, I find that I can still get a thick wetsuit SOCK underneath the footpocket without too much trouble- and if i go up a size i can get a regular scuba booty in one.

If you have no local shop that can help you check out Pirate Scuba or one of the other shops that advertise on here and they can help you- since they actually know what they are talking about.

Jon
 
Jon said:
I'll say it: Split fins suck!

They are useless for freediving and even scuba diving. It's just a gimmick by the dive industry to sell expensive crap to an unknowing public. A bit harsh, but you can get a much better fin for less money.

I've used them, as well as Force Fins, and we have people bring them to play underwater hockey in every once in a while and it only takes a few minutes before they realize that they would be much better off with a cheap pair of snorkeling fins compared to split fins- or force fins.

If someone tries to sell them to you for freediving then it's time to find a new diveshop.

I used to have a pair of the Cressi Garra's fins with openheel foot pockets and they didn't work as well as the closed heel ones. A closed heel footpocket will transfer energy much better to the blade. I you dive in cold water, like I do, I find that I can still get a thick wetsuit SOCK underneath the footpocket without too much trouble- and if i go up a size i can get a regular scuba booty in one.

If you have no local shop that can help you check out Pirate Scuba or one of the other shops that advertise on here and they can help you- since they actually know what they are talking about.

Jon

Thanks alot for giving me that info... I could have made a big mistake.

I was just looking over Scubapros website and seen those and thought they were pretty neat looking. I was also mis-lead by the talk on there about it being easier to swim.

I am going to be going to this big SCUBA outlet where different shops have alot of stuff on sale to the general public and I am getting a list of things that I need before I go.

I am sort of new to freediving... I haven't really went past my breaking point with holding my breath. I am a PADI OW diver and I swim like a fish so that helps greatly.

Alot of the companies that you guys suggest are from the U.S and don't have alot of shops or sell in Canada. Any other suggestions like I should buy a fin that is a minimum lenght or something? I am not looking into high end stuff yet but I might down the road.

Thanks again,
Morg
 
The reason they might be considered "easier" to swim is because they have a big cut down the middle and let the water spill out.:head A better way to get an easier fin to swim is to simple make it softer- like they used to do before they found out they could make more money on this split fin gimmick. Any soft "paddle" type fin will do the trick.

Scubapro does make a really good fin- it's the standard Jetfin which has been around for over 40 years, originally developed by Beuchat. It's one of my favorite fins for scuba divng and can work for shallow water spearing if you need an openheel fin.

Freediving fins will still be better for freediving, and I use them for scubadiving as well. One way to go might be to get a basic OMER or Sproasub fin and switch out the blades down the road if you want a fancier fin- the footpockets will work with a number of different blades.

Hope that helps a bit,

Jon
 
Jon said:
The reason they might be considered "easier" to swim is because they have a big cut down the middle and let the water spill out.:head A better way to get an easier fin to swim is to simple make it softer- like they used to do before they found out they could make more money on this split fin gimmick. Any soft "paddle" type fin will do the trick.

Scubapro does make a really good fin- it's the standard Jetfin which has been around for over 40 years, originally developed by Beuchat. It's one of my favorite fins for scuba divng and can work for shallow water spearing if you need an openheel fin.

Freediving fins will still be better for freediving, and I use them for scubadiving as well. One way to go might be to get a basic OMER or Sproasub fin and switch out the blades down the road if you want a fancier fin- the footpockets will work with a number of different blades.

Hope that helps a bit,

Jon

Awsome.. Thanks for letting me know that. I looked at the OMER fins and they look pretty high tech and very good. I will try and find some at this show that I am going to.

Thanks again you have been a great help in picking out fins,
Morg
 
Morg said:
Alot of the companies that you guys suggest are from the U.S and don't have alot of shops or sell in Canada. Any other suggestions like I should buy a fin that is a minimum lenght or something? I am not looking into high end stuff yet but I might down the road.
Thanks again,
Morg

Morg, email or PM Mark Labocetta here at Deeper Blue or at the OMER website. Mark and his dad run OMER in North America. There is no retailer in Canada and Mark has been good to us in Western Canada. The gear is excellent and he will help.
PM me if you want more details.
Peace,
Erik Y.
 
If you shop online you can find good deals on OMER fins....of course our host has freediving fins.

Also, try this link:

www.spearfishinggear.com/

look at the "black freediving package". $199 for OMER fins, OMER mask, OMER snorkel, booties and they will deliver it to your door.....

The OMER Millenium fins are a nice starter because you can bang em up on coral and such and not feel too bad about it. I used this very package to begin with and started my son and wife out with it as well.....
 
Lungfish do you regulary bang up your fins on the corrals?

Not a good behaviour, save our reefs!
:naughty
 
I can vouch for spearfishinggear.com - great service and that is a very nice package that will do you fine for a good long time.
 
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