seatec bulk rubber vs. picasso rubber

[holdown]

I'm debating purchasing some bulk rubber (20mm) from Seatec or sticking with my 21mm picasso bands. How do the two compare? has anyone used both? and lastly, whats the difference between the black and amber 20mm bands seatec offers. Thanks

 

[strangelove]

I'm debating purchasing some bulk rubber (20mm) from Seatec or sticking with my 21mm picasso bands. How do the two compare? has anyone used both? and lastly, whats the difference between the black and amber 20mm bands seatec offers. Thanks

I don't have any hard facts (since I don't own none of those bands), just rummors, but I've heard great reviews about the picasso 21mm (I think it was on a Hawaii Skin Diver magazine), but they also mention, the short life span.

I am very happy with RA 20 mm band with white core.

 

[spaghetti]

Seatec products are all extraordinary value for price and I'm a great fan of this brand: I own 3 Seatec spearguns, Seatec float, Seatec weight vest, Seatec shaft for pneumatic, and I'm still craving for more.
I'm aware you don't care much about my feelings, since you asked a specific question.
I'm unable to compare Picasso rubbers, and anyway they're said to give a strong punch, hard to load and "nervous" when they shoot (reportedly: I'm talking second hand info).
Seatec bands, of any size and sort, are built with a different philosophy: they're the "progressive" kind of bands. They're gentle to load and more "progressive" in the energy payback when you shoot. You don't feel the "punch", but the shaft rockets fast and far anyway. It's because, with a more progressive action (no "kick" sensation), there is less dispersion of energy in the initial punch, and more effectiveness cause the energy is released progressively. In short: very good bands if you prefer the gentle type (being "gentle" pretty much relative, as we're still talking of thick 20mm latex bands).
What I'd do:
Go Picasso if you want your gun to be a killer son-of-a-bitch deathstick cannon.
Go Seatec if you want your gun to be a balanced, user friendly, "intelligent" weapon.

 

[holdown]

multo grazi Spaghetti, as always your input is very helpful. I've always used the picasso and they are very punchy but lack subtlety and refinement. I'll be curious to try the seatecs. They're shafts are great too. Thanks again, David

 

[spaghetti]

what gun is it for, if I may ask? (gun length, shaft girth, fish targeted...)

 

[holdown]

119 mr. carbon. I've used the 6.5 and 7 mm dbl barbed for a while and have used it on small dogtooth tuna, snapper, moo, etc. It sleeps beside me in lieu of a girlfriend! (I've considered getting the dbl band mr. carbon but I imagine the single band set up is optimal for this gun. what is your experience?)

 

[spaghetti]

119 mr. carbon. I've used the 6.5 and 7 mm dbl barbed for a while and have used it on small dogtooth tuna, snapper, moo, etc. It sleeps beside me in lieu of a girlfriend! (I've considered getting the dbl band mr. carbon but I imagine the single band set up is optimal for this gun. what is your experience?)

My experience? I have a Snake 120 with two 16mm bands (Seatec Master) and a C4 Monoscocca with a single set of screw in 20mm amber. They shoot straight. Both guns with 6,5mm shaft. I never tried a Mr.C 119, neither with single nor double band set.
I think that if you get the double band Mr.C you should use gentle bands as the 16mm for the 6,5mm shaft, or the 17,5 mm Seatec Stinger for the 7mm shaft. It's because Mono and MrC guns are quite sensitive to overpower: they're designed for tracking and manouverability, not to be the MOFO superload cannon.
The C4 Urukay is intended for stronger loads: I've seen testd where it shoots with 3 bands and no sensible recoil, still tracking relatively sweet.
But do you really need a cannon?

 

[holdown]

as long as my luck holds I spend a lot of time in Indo. For hunting tuna, sailfish,etc I use a big wooden gun (a very good ono gun actually) but its cumbersome and expensive to take on flights (i like to try and explore different islands when I'm there) So yeah a small, light powerful cannon would be ideal. I looked into buying a urukay this fall but not enouqh time nor money for now. My Mr. Carbon is a screw in band set up w/closed muzzle. i use screw in inserts so I can tie my own bands, but the closed muzzle is a problem as I have to use notched shafts not shark tab and they (notched) are of course a lot weaker. Have shifted over to using dynema wishbones and have found them to be great-very quiet and no change in power/accuracy as long as they are set evenly on both sides

 

[jimy286]

All i can say is the picasso are a bitch to laod but very hard hitting. I tryed to put picasso bands on my sea tech gabi and they did not fit the screws. Obv not a problem if making own band

I LOVE the sea-tech 20mm good acreacy and pennitration.

 

[holdown]

after testing both over the last couple weeks the seatec rubbers come out way ahead of the picasso. Actually they are pretty amazing-really powerful and very little energy loss over hours of being loaded (I'm very picky-to be generous) Picasso's for the difficulty in loading them do not hold their kick and even with the initial punch are only equal to not better then the seatec progressives. really impressed with them

 

[Marwan]

Seatecs are pretty amazing the 20 mm amber band is among the best i have used..but i must say some of the picasso bands are also very nice, i use the 19mm band witha 6.75mm spear on my trusty omer 100, that is a deadly combination! the picasso 19's are really nice..they also have a 21mm band which i tried with a 7mm spear..that is one tough Bi#ch to load! but you need to have a double wrap if you do use it, you wont see the spear!