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Seatec miniroller 60

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Cheers everyone,

It is now a while ago since Seatec launched their new rollerguns.

I really would love to hear your thoughts on the Seatec miniroller 60/75 speargun. I havent had the chance to have one in my hands, but I read alot of promising words on this kind of speargun - for its power vs. small size.

On the negatives, some say that the minirollers from Seatec is of poor build quality, which is too bad - can anyone confirm this?.
The 90, 100, 110 rollerguns from Seatec should be great though.

What are your thoughts on the Seatec miniroller 60/75?
- and is there any alternatives to a short and powerful gun out there from other manufactures (similar to the miniroller guns)

thanks in advanced
 
Hi to all,
Seatec is one of the historical houses with regard to the underwater fishing and isn't true that the short one do not work, simply don't serve.
I used a short rollerguns to an athlete of seatec team in the Garda lake and it's like I use a normal spearguns.
Different is the speech with a long rollerguns where you catch the fish over long distance.

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above a head of a long rollerguns, and this is a head of a short rollergun
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The difference? the second one doesn't have bearing!! So it's like a normal head

Best reguards, Nicola
 
No bearings... ouch. That sucks. I know that the Mini-Rollers are based on Seatec's budget, entry-level gun, so yeah, build quality on the short guns might not be amazing.

The longer ones are Gabbiano's with a ball-bearing roller-head, decent quality guns. I have to say that I really hate the design concept of the Seatec roller-head - seems like you're going to get some serious friction (power loss) from the band guides - especially on the longer, bearing heads...

If you want a short, powerful gun you should think about a pneumatic. Something from Mares or Cressi.
 
thanks for the various input.

- looking into pneumatic (thought it was lot of maintenance and extra gas)

- While the Seatec Grotto combined with Seawolf Roller Kit seems pretty nice, it is a gun around 200€,
- why not choose a seac X-fire 60 with double band or the like?

- No other short rollergun out there?

The purpose is shallow waters with low viz along the Danish cost lines, hunting for sea-trouts, cods, bass and grey mullets.

thanks again.
 
Pneumatics don't lose gas when you fire them - they come with a pump which you use to fill an internal chamber - you only need to do this maybe once a year.

When you push the spear in, that loads the gun - the internal pressure fire the spear.

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Unfortunately, no-one really makes high quality short band guns - it's a real shame.

The X-Fire looks ok - with 2 x 14mm bands it would do the job although a roller will be a lot better to fire - less recoil, more power etc.

I'd buy a Seatec Mini-Roller over an X-Fire in a heartbeat.

The Grotto + Rollerkit would be my personal choice though ;)
 
Bros, your link to buy the kit wont work for me! are there any more kits available from the better known companies?
 
The Grotto + Rollerkit would be my personal choice though ;)

Just a question out of curiosity on the grotto + rollerkit setup:
- what type of bands (lengths and thickness) would you use for the grotto 60?
- and how would you apply/fasten the bands to the gun on the bottom? - as I can see on the seatec miniroller the bands are fixated and bottom of the shaft, right? (probably a silly question if you have held a rollergun in your hands :)

cheers!
 
Bros, your link to buy the kit wont work for me! are there any more kits available from the better known companies?

You have to email them mate: info@seawolf-sub.it

The roller is only listed on their 'Price List' page: Tested Easy Roller : 90 euros

The RRP on the Roller Kit is 90 Euro's but they say that you can have a 30% discount if you ask rofl
 
Just a question out of curiosity on the grotto + rollerkit setup:
- what type of bands (lengths and thickness) would you use for the grotto 60?
- and how would you apply/fasten the bands to the gun on the bottom? - as I can see on the seatec miniroller the bands are fixated and bottom of the shaft, right? (probably a silly question if you have held a rollergun in your hands :)

cheers!

My guess would be 16mm bands - nice stretchy ones. You attach (I think!) the bands with some dyneema to the reel mount. It will take some tuning to get the set up perfect!

If you don't want to mess around with making a custom gun, it would be a lot easier to buy a pneumatic ;)
 
Thanks again,

yes I read the thread about Sporasub One Air, and got all excited during the read until the last page (page 9), where you wrote it was not available until August. :duh

too bad - looks really nice though
my choice would be the one air 70.
 
Ha ha, yeah - I'm trying to forget about that rofl

I'll get one when it's released, an 80cm version. I'll post a review up after I've tested it at sea. I'm cross about the stupid wait but excited about finally getting it.

If you can't wait, you could always buy a cheaper pneumatic and fit a free-shaft & dry-barrel kit to it....
 
I know this thread is a bit old but just wondering if anyone has seen the catalog for the new Omer Roller.....Preview OmerSub Cayman ET Roller | Pesca Sub - Pesca in Apnea...the page is in Italian but the google translation is easy enough to follow.

I have had a Seatec mini-roller 75 for 2 years now and it's a great little gun with plenty of power, the first shot I ever took with it stoned a 7lb bass and later that season I got two nice Triggerfish with it. The factory rubbers though after 1 season needed to be replaced, they felt "sticky" and were catching on the guides. It does feel a bit cheap, especially the plastic trigger and rollers but so far its performed well and for €100 its not going to break the bank.

Brodeidon, would you try the One Air again?
 
Hi,
I ended up buying the seatec miniroller 60cm. I am really dissapointed about it- its very poor build quality and bad muzzle makes it useless IMO.
I simply dont have confidence in it - so I only bring it with me as a backup.

I cannot recommend it.

Too bad that there is so limited options for a short powerful speargun out there.

best,
 
Brodeidon, would you try the One Air again?

I had the first one in the UK as soon as it was released. It misfired during loading and nearly sent a shaft through my skull. I would avoid it like the plague. Beautiful gun by they have serious issues with the line release - Omer asked me to send it back.

I would personally never buy a pneumatic gun after that experience as I could never feel safe using one.

Hi,
I ended up buying the seatec miniroller 60cm. I am really dissapointed about it- its very poor build quality and bad muzzle makes it useless IMO.

Really sorry to hear that - it does look a bit cheap. Bummer :(

I ended up buying a Rob Allen 70 as my small gun - havent actually had a chance to use it yet though. Rob Allen's are not the most 'technical' guns in the world but they work pretty well.
 
Ye, the muzzle on my mini 75 could be better...when the rubbers became "sticky" it was impossible to fire it correctly. I lubricated them and the guides and rollers with silicone spray which fixed it for a while but replacing the rubbers got it back to working order. I love the concept and when its working it does the job really well, agreed the build quality could be better. The steel rollers on the 90 and better guides would go a long way but I suppose that's why the 75 is only €100.

I bought a Custom modified Cressi Sioux 60cm from Lazuli on the boards here, he gave me a great deal on the two guns he was selling, can't wait to try it out in the Kelp and for the flatties...roll on summer.
 
I had the first one in the UK as soon as it was released. It misfired during loading and nearly sent a shaft through my skull. I would avoid it like the plague. Beautiful gun by they have serious issues with the line release - Omer asked me to send it back.

I would personally never buy a pneumatic gun after that experience as I could never feel safe using one.

Just wanted to chip in. I followed and took part in that long thread on the One Air and was terrified about Broseidon's incident. Nonetheless, a while after, I got myself one in 120 cm. I can totally understand how he would personally not get one again after that scare. But I would. And I certainly will get another pneumatic at some point:)
Now, I don't spear on a regular basis, but on vacations. So far, I've had the One Air out for about a week. Worked flawlessly. Very powerful, fast and silent. I was worried about the line release and trigger also, but have not had a single incident.
I also modified a smaller 90 cm Seac airgun to have a dry barrel and that one is fast and powerful as well. (Having an issue now because a not-so-clever dealer supposedly installed a wrong o-ring, but once that's solved, I am back to loving that gun).
The Seac is lighter and easy to swing around, I'll be taking it to Denmark this summer and see if it can't get some mullets - I haven idea that it's the perfect gun for that. The One Air is a bit bulky and probably more bulky than it really needs to be. I think even in the smaller sizes it wont move as fast through the water as a Seac (or any other classic airgun with a 40mm barrel).

My words may not mean a whole lot as I am still rather new at this and have never really shot bandguns. I just felt, the pneumatic side needed a voice in here:)

Best,
David
 
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Hi David, glad you've got on well with the gun. Personally, I feel that pneumatics are horrifically dangerous and would never use one under any circumstances. What terrifies me the most is that if, at any point of the loading process, you were to slip, the spear will fire. That to me, is just mind blowing. How to the hell anyone can get in the water with something that does that is completely beyond me.

For anyone who has not used a pneumatic, imagine taking your band gun, unloaded, placing the wishbone in the spear notch, taking hold of the spear tip, then trying to pull the spear down the barrel, attached to the bands, and loading it into the trigger mech.

If you saw anyone do that with a band gun you would think they were insane yet that is essentially exactly what you do with a pneumatic.

I don't care that people use and like them - the fact remains that if you slip, there is no safety mechanism to stop the spear firing.

End of story for me.
 
Can't and wont argue with that - you are def spot on!
There are two main issues, I find.
1. You have to take very, very good care that you don't ever, not even for a split sec, load in the directions of others. I know this goes for all guns, but even with my limited experience have I had to swim out of the direction of a few bandgun shooters loading all over the place. For them, it would take a mech failure or a spear that was not fully engaged to accidentally shoot on loading, but I guess it has happened. (And maybe for a few spearos (like the before-mentioned) the bandgun way of loading offers them a bit of false security in this regard).

2. You have to be very aware that you are not pointing the gun towards yourself (your head) when loading. Small pneumatics are loaded on the hip, bigger ones are loaded on the foot (see drawing). The problem is that as you push the spear in, the tip can be just around your face at the last part of the loading. My two airguns are 90cm and 120cm and I am small guy, so I am lucky in the sense that even when "footloading" my 90cm, the muzzle is easy enough to keep away from my head. Not an issue with the 120 at all.

I am not too worried that the loader (plastic handle which one puts on top of the spear) would slip out of my hands or that I could not hold the spear. That has not once been even remotely close to happening. The loader breaking in half would scare me as then yes, the spear would be on its way. But then I have not heard stories of that happening, but if bandgun mechs can fail, a plastic handle sure as hell can as well.

The few reservations I have with pneumatics is that you have to shoot in order to unload it and then you can't easily store the spear on the gun while swimming to shore or boat or when carrying it around. (I tie the spear to the barrel with rubber bands). Also, for air travel you have to dump all the air out of the gun and it's a pain pumping the bigger ones. But on the other hand, the guns are smaller than bandguns for the same amount of power and as such take up less space when traveling.
Again, I haven't done much spearing yet but I did notice that my dry barreled 90 cm Seac vastly outperformed a friend's Cressi model "something" 110cm. The Seac was much faster and shot much longer and though its spear is shorter and thus lighter, I'd say it likely had the same or more punch. I am not 100% sure about his rubbers' age and stretch factor. I think they were stock and less than a year old.
Also, I don't know exactly how bandguns are measured, but I think a 110cm has 40 cm of spear overhang, so perhaps my friend's gun loaded was about 160cm long (and 150 when traveling). Loaded, from tip to butt, my Seac 90cm with a longer-than-stock spear is around 120 cm (and 105 traveling). That piece of "math" was my main reason for getting into pneumatics over bandguns in the first place.
Remember, we are talking about dry barrel guns here - airguns in their stock versions are not as powerful, take more effort to load and are often a bit noisy. Not so when converted to dry barrels.

Best,
David
 

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