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seatec snake or rob allen vecta caranx

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panzerkrafft

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Hi guys.

In the weekend i will visit a diveshop and get hold of one of the guns in the title.

I will be able to see and feel the guns before buying...but still i would like to hear from you guys that have tried them both which one is to prefer...
..and for what reason.

Im leaning a tiny bit at the rob allen, dont know why..just a feeling after reading and seeing pictures of it..

but in the other hand i have the feeling that the seatec is the more rigid of the two.

Is it perhaps only a matter of personal feelings or is there any big difference in handling/durability/quality

let hear what you have to say
 
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Hej and thanks for answer..

ok then what do you mean when you say that the seatec is buildt for two bands??

what i know the rob allen also have mussle for two band?? (link)Sportsbutikken.dk


Which version of snake you have. is it this? Sportsbutikken.dk
or do you have a newer version?

also see that you from denmark. where did you buy in denmark

krister
 
Both are reckoned to be excellent guns and excellent brands. Surprised that you are concerned about the Rob Allen railgun's rigidity, as the rail it part of the aluminium barrel models (Caranx, Tuna & Sparid), making it more rigid than a regular spear-gun. Oversize aluminium tube (28mm in this case - pretty standard now but 25mm used to be the norm) is quite rigid. I have bicycles with oversize aluminium tubes, they are very rigid.

The Rob Allen Tuna model has 2x16mm bands (see: Rob Allen spearguns, railguns and other spearfishing and freediving accessories.). They have an elegantly simple but incredibly strong and well designed/evolved set of features (inexpensive & powerful bulk rubber; soft/safe/silent Dyneema wishbones; drab, grooved spears). They are designed and equipped to handled even the largest of fish (extra strong spearline, swivels, clips, bungees, big strong barb/flopper). [Although recently I've opted to use a much lighter gun for the modest size British fish (here 5+lb is big, 10lb-20lb remarkable) - the Omer XXV (25mm carbon barrel), I still love my RA Sparid]. A Seatec Snake would be nice too of course. I think the choice has much to do with your own values/preferences/etc. - RA gear gives we a warm fuzzy feeling:D because it simple & strong. I like the fact that the range is limited but carefully thought out and well executed (others feel the same about Seatec).

The length of gun you choose is probably more important than the model of gun though. The conditions you encounter, especially visibility but also size of fish will determine the choice of length. If this is unfamiliar to you, then I suggest you read Miles's "Spearfishing for Dummies" articles & threads on this forum, DeeperBlue.com, post haste and checkout the basic spearing information on supplier websites like www.sumora.com (excellent table on selecting barrel length), www.spearo.co.uk & www.makospearguns.com. It will save you considerable time, effort & money.:)
 
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ok. sounds like you would prefer the rob allen??

well.. im not concerned about the rigidity. only got a feeling that the seatec was heavier/sturdier when looking at pictures...maybe the handle on seatec that got me thinkin that

did you look at the link to the snake??...is that the latest version or does that dealer have old versions in stock?

where i live we dont either have any big fish 2.5 kg is big here so the power is what im least concerned with
 
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SNAKE!!!!!!!!!

RA is a good work horse but does not have the refinement of the Seatec.

seatec silent cuttlebone shaped barrel will improve tracking and stability during the shot.

the gun is alos almost completely silient because of the barrel covering where as RA is quite loude (metal on metal) no big deal really.

Seatec handle is better shape and i feel more refined and stronger.

Snake open muzzle is a god send and is VERY easy to aim.

RA is a good gun but the SNAKE is MUCH better!!!!!!

coming from a guy who has owned and now sold all except one of his RA's at one time i owned 5 of them mostly carbons. but have played with the seatec and it is a superior product.

DD
 
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Hi
I bought mine in uv-sport.dk and it is the 09 version in 90 cm. Give the owner a call or an email, he’ll get it for you. He is really nice guy and don’t oversell his products.

Most spearguns have a double muzzle, but it’s mostly just for show. The Snake is built for using two bands.

Also the RA Vecta Caranx doesn’t seem to get top points for accuracy. Never tried it, but supposedly you must aim a bit higher… due to the weight of the very heavy spear. You won’t need that, unless you shoot the bigger species in Norway. And you’ve would still do fine with the Snake.

For no nonsense, look at the line release. On the Snake it’s very low tech and positioned so it doesn’t get in the way of the reel (included with the Snake).

The Snake is almost weight neutral in water. When I first grabbed it I though “dammit, that will be a bitch to swim with for 3 hours”, but in water it’s the lightest gun I own.

In all seriousness, if you’re hunting in DK, both of these guns are more than enough. You would be fine with an OMER Excalibur in 75 – 90 cm. Reel isn’t necessary either.

But overkill is beautiful…
 
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ok. sounds like you would prefer the rob allen??
Not necessarily, it's just the one I am familiar with. So it would be the safer choice for me. I would be happy with either, or both:). Pretty neutral really. I like the whole bulk rubber/dyneema wishbone approach (but I think the snake uses bulk rubber not sure about the wishbone, Mundial uses dyneema on his I believe) but if you are used to screw-in rubbers and wishbones you might feel more at home with the Seatec. Seatecs are often foam covered which should make them quiet than usual (I think Imersion do this on some models too). Price/budget including shipping would also be a consideration for me. The availability of parts and after sales service is often under valued though. Rob Allen parts can be hard to find locally, which could be a problem when time is of the essence, but the dive factory in South Africa offer first class support and advice. I'd be surprised if Seatec doesn't too but if they don't have good English you might have to use on-line translation (or Spaghetti ;)).

The Vecta handle on the RA is quite chunky (compared to say a Cressi Commanche or Omer XXV T10 handle), so I would not recommend it for someone with particularly small hands. It has a high quality rubber feel though, with a honking great big game orcas clip & swivel attached - feel the quality:). Seatec has a reputation for tough, heavy, accurate guns too.

I see DivingDane has used both, so he is in a much better position than most to make the comparison that you are looking for. He says the RAs are less refined -- I would say their design is very refined for South Africa, changes now tend to be small (a new handle once a decade, a tweak to the trigger mech occasionally, a new spear tip or notch option occasionally, a new stainless steel alloy for the trigger seer); many other companies are now partly or completely following their formula of euro-handle, rail, bulk rubber, dyneema wishbone, heavy duty fittings (Rabitech/Mako/Freedivers/Hammerhead/Orcas/Pelaj); even the european makers are starting to adopt elements of it. However, I think I understand what he means - they are not obviously making big, daring new innovations or trying advanced new manufacturing techniques, like Omer for example with their pressure-formed alumium HF2 barrels. Nor are they particularly optimized for UK/Med. fish/conditions. He says the RA is loud but honestly I haven't noticed any difference compared to my carbon Omer XXVs -- perhaps I am just oblivious to it, because when you shoot a fish there are many other things to think about. The spear is supposed to run on a film of water so it is really only metal on metal if you bash the spear on the barrel while reloading -- the bungee rattling against the barrel occasionally was far more noticeable to me and that is easily fixed with plastic pipe over the clip or replacing the bungee with 4mm bungee rubber.

Local knowledge is priceless so C-X's post puts things in context. What length are you planning to buy?
 
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Mr. X, you DESERVE a Seatec Snake for Christmas. I think I'll talk to Santa Klaus about your case...:)

More than everything that has been said (the extreme accuracy, the stealthiness, the appropriate balance, the sweet tracking), one thing I may add is that Seatec Snake and Gabbiano are really quality stuff. :king
Check all those metal parts, the all Stainless Steel trigger and mechanism tested for >250 kg of traction, the metal cast cassette (higher part of the handle), all the metal details from the line release to the stainless steel pins.
Even the plastic parts are made of quality plastic materials, not of cheap plastics: polyurethane barrel coating, polyammidic resin muzzle, glass fiber reinforced grip, derlin wishbone caps...
There is not a single detail in those guns that you might call "cheap". That's great value for money.
 
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Ok.
Things did not go as planed.
I did call the diveshop and he did hold a snake 90 for me
I have to travel 700km one direction to buy this gun cause its the nearest shop that sells spearguns.

so far so good...then arriving to the shop and i see the snake 90
i was almost shocked over the size of it.

im used to my boosted 35cm imersion.

the gun was tooo big. its not allowed to own spearguns over 35cm where i live. so i had to choose another one
unfortunally he didnt have any snake or gabbiano shorter than 90 so it ended up with buying a seatec trb 77.

looks like a simpler version of gabbiano to me. not that wide belly pu coating ,,but atleast it coated and have rail all the way,
also a simpler mech i guess coz the trigger is plastic

hopefully its the same acurasy as gabbiano,
havent try it yet, i did dive around for a while in denmark saturday 2m waves but didnt spot a single fish...but tomorrow a new try.

im not very satisfied after driving 1500km and not get hold of the best you can buy, it,s kind of frustrating

anyhow it would be nice if someone here have tested or owns the trb 77
and maybe can compare it to other seatecs for me

i think it,s gonna be a new trip to that shop for christmas or to next spring
to buy the new snake 80.

and in the meanwhile i hopefully will experiance a huge step up from my 35cm double 14mm imersion
 
:DI think the TRB is a good gun. :confused:But surely 77cm is more than 35cm too?:confused:

I remember seeing my 90cm railgun for the first time. It was much bigger than I expected -- even though you know 90cm is the length of the barrel you tend to think the gun will be about 90cm long overall - not 90cm + 40cm of spear tip + handle. You get used to it though.

Why would anywhere implement a law restricting the length of spearguns? Sounds like you guys are paying too much tax if the civil servants have time to sit around and think up laws like this, let alone enforce them.

Re. the 1000 mile round trip. Isn't mail order an option? Although perhaps better in this case that you did make the trip. Length is kind of important and closely related to visibility, so I guess I'm a little concerned that you suddenly changed your mind about what you require. 77 is a good size for the UK and I believe spaghetti sometimes uses 80cm guns in the Med - so I suspect you are "in the ball park".;)
 
Yes 77 is more than 35 for sure ,
And 77/80 does not sounds any big different from 90 but when i compared them next to each other i think it was a big difference. and i have to draw the line somewhere.

The possibility to hide the gun is unfortunally the biggest issue.

Anyhow, after diving around with it i really think that 75/80 is the perfect length for me in thoose waters i hunt. i felt very comfort with the length
 
Yes, I know what you mean. I've been mainly using a 75 this year and last. Small & light, it's a nice size.
 
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