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Sex and freediving

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whucash

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Yee the title says it all..
But seriously, i had this question after yesterdays pool. Is is possible to cennect having sex before the training with better results. Have all the feelings that explode after making love any cause on staying longer under water.
I know it may be stupid thought but yesterday i was making underwater photos with my buddy and my results were almost dubled..
Is it a cause of hormones or just because my mind was completely somewhere else?
Any one has the same thoughts?
Waitnig for your ideas!
Cheerse
 
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Yee the title says it all..
Is it a cause of hormones or just because my mind was completely somewhere else?

i would say the second one, might think your mind was still in the bed or anywhere else you did that thing :inlove:inlove:inlove

may it be considered a new kind of doping? should be banned by the AIDA...
 
Hahahaha sex fanatics! You always see only the 1 site! Butt the most worrying fact is that..you were interested to see the photos:D:D Porn fans:D

The doping was the end of this discussion:D I wonder how would they test it...:D:D
..And i hoped i would get an answer rofl

But the answers were priceless:D:D Thank you:friday
 
Haha those were pretty priceless.

However, to actually throw out a serious answer, I'd think that freediving (very) shortly after sex could in fact enhance your static breath hold.

I came across a chart once while looking up arterial oxygen saturation during apnea

breathhold

(It's very interesting how the O2 saturation curve works, by the way. Concentrations are high to moderate for most of the time, before plummeting quickly near the end when your lungs are basically out. contractions really do help squeeze every bit of oxygen out even as concentrations in your lungs decrease)

Anyway the interesting thing here is heart rate. See how it's at 'normal' levels for the majority of the time, only after 3 minutes does the body finally figure out whats going on, and its not until around 4-5 minutes that the heart is really slowed down to preserve oxygen.

So for the first few minutes, you've just been wasting the precious oxygen in your lungs because your body wasn't exactly prepared for what was coming.


Here's where I'm just going to say it, i think yes... for men. For women, its a bit more complex. Women don't *always* achieve orgasm, there are different hormonal levels throughout the menstrual cycle, and a woman's resolution period is gradual, not sudden like that of a man's. There are simply too many variables for me to just say yes or no. So I'm going to focus on men here, sorry ladies.

Post orgasm, a number of chemicals are released into the blood system, some good for freediving and some bad. The big bad guy here is norepinephrine, which we all know increases heart rate, along with nitric oxide which does the same.

But, there are also a few other things released, these include: serotonin, oxytocin, vasopressin, and prolactin. All of these are related to relaxation, slowed heart rate, and sleep. Yeah.. we don't get sleepy after sex because of the workout, its the hormones, so ladies, hate the pituitary gland not us.

Anyway, from here it becomes individual physiology, and also importantly how the sex was carried. I'll leave it to you to decide on the details, but suffice to say that the less work the freediver does, the better.

Immediately after sex, the heart rate will be high, but that norepinephrine doesn't last long and you it will quickly drop down as the other hormones take over.

Anyway, so normally your heart rate and brain activity (your brain consumes 1/3rd of the oxygen you take in) are at regular, a few minutes in. If you were to have sex first, its conceivable that your body would enter that 'lower workload' state even before the breath hold, somewhat anyway, and preserve the oxygen that would normally be wasted in the beginning.

But.. between jumping in the water, breathing up, etc... those hormones might wear off.

But it certainly has *potential* to increase your time, by lowering heart rate and other such relaxing effects. But like any freediver knows.. everyone is different.. every day.

I'd like to add by the way, that I've never seen the heart rate changes of an elite freediver as they breath up, but I'm sure there heart rate gets very low from all the yoga and such training, maybe more. It's quite possible that they are achieving those same results mentally instead of hormonally. I think sex beforehand would just be an easy way out for those who don't want to learn meditation.

-Matt
 
Thanks Matt for the reply. the first serious one:D
When i thought about the aspects of this question i considered 2 ways..
First the brain and the relaxation in the water. It surely reaches a higher level. You don't think about the minutes flowing by and you fly with your thoughts far far away. And as far as this side is concerned i think love before freediving can make miracles, you juzt don't have place for all the "no air" things.
As for the hormonal aspect i worried about staying in an "activeted" level even after the act. All the hormones that are filling blood are normally connected with the euforic state of our body and their aim is to give an extra strenght.
Thanks for all the informations that you placed in the reply. You really helped me.
But hey the best way prove any statement is to test as much as possible and analise the results:D..
and this is what i wish all of you..a lot of tests:D
 
Oh God.. how embarrassing.. you all still remember.. I was 15 people! :eek:

Anyway, one of the things that makes me believe it could have an edge aside from heart rate is muscle relaxation not just mental aspects.

Your triceps and biceps are antagonist muscles.. you can have them both relaxed, or both equally tensed, and you will still have your arm in the same position. The same way, many people (as I used to) still tense up, meaning they are contracting all antagonist muscles. I still have a hard time not tightening up after around 3 minutes. That tightening of muscles burns oxygen... the way those hormones relax muscles could reduce the effect of that.

Once again though.. it's just a cheat.. I imagine most elite freediver's can relax beyond this point. Though.. the more I talk about the effects of these hormones, the more I wonder if things like oxytocin or other depressants that lower heart rates will one day be the 'steroids' of freediving as we approach a physiological limit to what we can naturally achieve.

Nevertheless, whether or not it can increase your max time, you are right, it'll make it can make the whole experience more enjoyable.

So everyone, keep it up! (I'm referring to the freediving.. you pervs! :blackeye)
 
Interesting reading. Just a small note: you actually do not want to have low heart rate during the breath-up. That is counterproductive and may lead to desaturation of venous blood. The ideal situation is high heart rate during breath-up for maximizing the blood throughput through the lungs and hence the O2 intake, and in the same time maximal relaxation of all muscles for minimizing the O2 consumption; and then quick drop of HR soon after the start of the apnea.

Sure there is certain trade-off, so if the heart-rate is high during breath up and you do not manage to sink it until the final phase of the apnea, it may be worse than having slow heart-rate already during the breath-up. But if you are going to work on mental control over your HR, the above described schema is ideal (high HR prior the apnea, slow during it).
 
That's a good point, I agree. Remember though, in my first post when I mentioned the hormones released, norepinephrine and nitric oxide were among them, which increase HR. Heart rate doesn't just plummet after sex, its still high and then starts dropping soon after.

But.. I mean.. you'd practically have to have sex in the water and start breathing up right away for all this to come together, because all these effects are rather short term. This isn't like 'do it in the morning, win in the evening'

I've never really looked into any studies about O2 concentration during intercourse though.. they might be higher/ lower than normal.


-Matt
 
If I see anyone trying this out poolside at a competition, be prepared for a bucket of cold water!!!!!
 
Jesus!

Until I read the thread, I thought it must be addressing combining sex and freediving. While I have a rather short breath hold, I thought maybe my hair trigger might compensate.

But now that I realize what we are talking about- this technical stuff is rather confusing. I think the best solution is a lot of experimentation to find out what works for you,.
 
here's an idea I had a while back.

A great form of Apnea training could be trying to hold your breath while your partner "takes your breath away".rofl

I think the biggest challenge with this form of training would be not letting your partner find out that you're using a "couple's moment" to train. otherwise they may be like :rcard
 
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here's an idea I had a while back.

A great form of Apnea training could be trying to hold your breath while your partner "takes your breath away".rofl

I think the biggest challenge with this form of training would be not letting your partner find out that you're using a "couple's moment" to train. otherwise they may be like :rcard

I think the greatest challenge for me would be to refrain from calling out to my God.
 
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I just got the quote underneath your name Whucash :)
That gave it a new sense...a deeper meaning:D Its gowing wrong way it should be a scientiofic talk nut "guys" one..but the second one is way easier to achieve than the first one..and honestly i think i have greater knowledge in non scientific talking:D
But Apnneaboy you really have a great imagination:D I would never thought it could mean something like that..but now i'm starting to like it even more:D
 
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