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Shaft not resting on track!?

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Coral Sniper

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Why do we have spearguns that have tracks that are supposed to ''support'' the spear when the shaft hardly even (or never) touches the track! I was really surprised when I saw that the picasso pacific ''rail gun'' only rested on its track at about 5cm from the muzzel?:head ! JBL has this same problem and probably many other guns too.It makes no sense.Why do we even have a track on these guns? Is it just to sound good and boost sales :naughty ?
 
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I have a riffe and rabitech and an omer, all with tracks and the shaft rests on the 3 of them...
about making a difference , you could have a point, i couldnt see much difference in accuracy etc.., but then again i dont overpower my guns, i think thats when you could see a little difference as they supposedly prevent shaft whip so better power as well as accuracy..
 
On my rabitech the shaft also rests on all of the track. From what I understand its there to decrease noise from when the shaft leaves the muzzle as well as a whip factor, the reason being that the shaft rests in the track and so to in a constant water base, thus less resistance and a smoother glide. Also when adding more power, it plays a role in preventing the shaft from 'bending' because of the added power, wheres if you dint have the rail the shaft would have a space between itself and the barrel, the shaft would then curve in towards the barrel causing a bigger whip factor...
Or at least thats how I understand it...
 
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I just think it is real cheep when ''they'' make a speargun and the spear is 1-2cm from the track. I dont think that the track is helping much... But most of the top spearguns spears rest on there track(like my rob allen ha) just not some of the cheep ones and my buddy's picasso pacific(it was not really cheep)
 
Hiya

My RA's spear sit also just above the track. How-ever, this changes once the gun is loaded. The loaded band pins the shaft to the track.

Here's some very useful information from the RA Website ( http://www.roballen.co.za/homeset.html )

What's the difference between a Rob Allen Railgun and a basic gun?
Railguns are unique in the sense that they have an extended "rail" incorporated into the aluminum barrel all the way along. This rail supports the spear the full length of the barrel and continues on into the muzzle. The rail barrel tube is also much stiffer and stronger than a normal tube because it is thicker-walled and has a slightly bigger diameter. The integrated rail adds further strength. We also use aircraft grade aluminum when the barrels are extruded. This gives the barrel even better strength and stiffness, enabling it to handle strong rubbers and be used in longer lengths without flexing. It is basically stronger and stiffer than wood of the same diameter

Why is the spear in a railgun shorter than in a standard gun?

The support given by the rail allows the gun to use a shorter spear than a normal gun. To make a standard gun accurate, the length of spear has to be such that the section protruding from the muzzle will counter the sag in the middle section. This will be apparent when too short a spear is used, because it will shoot high. The opposite is true if too long a spear is used, as it will shoot low.

Why can't I put a support for the spear on the barrel and achieve the same result as a rail?
With supports on the barrel the spear tends to drop out of the mechanism when fired and "bump" over the support, causing an exaggerated wobble on the spear. This wobble will slow the spear down a great deal while it is travelling. With a rail this wobble is eliminated totally because the spear is supported all the way along and does not have a sag at the end because it is shorter than normal.

Why does my railgun seem to shoot the spear much faster and straighter than my standard gun?
On a railgun there is no sag in the middle of the spear because of the rail supporting it, and the length protruding out of the muzzle need only be short, therefore the spear weighs less. The drive ratio of the rubber is now much improved because the length relation of barrel to spear has increased; therefore more speed is attained without increasing the rubber strength. Another reason the spear is faster is because the spear does not wobble because it is supported level before being fired, and remains straight once momentum is achieved. Wobbling of a spear develops with a standard gun when the spear has a slight sag in the middle along with sag at the end. The moment the trigger is released the spear tends to "buck" creating a wobble when fired from a standard gun. This obviously creates more friction and therefore slows the spear down a great deal.

Does the spear resting on the rail not cause friction on the spear and slow it down?
When in the water the rail and spear are both wet. Once the spear gets going it will slide on a thin film of water, which eliminates the possibility of it touching the barrel. A well-used railgun shows no wear in the rail, which it would show if there was significant contact friction. This is similar to the way that a slipper bearing or a beach skimboard work.

That should cover the basics on rails on spearguns!!

Regards
miles
 
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''Why is the spear in a railgun shorter than in a standard gun?etc.'' I think this could be the problem with my buddy's picasso pacific, it has short spear and hardly any of it touches the track and it shoots wildly high...........just a guess
 
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