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Situational Awareness and Scuba

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Fondueset

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Several times now I've run into scuba divers while freediving around here. Each time, after swimming a couple hundred meters to catch them, it is allmost impossible to get their attention. They seem to plod along of relentlessly - gazing at the bottom in front of them while a nearly-nine-foot-long object swims along next to and slighly ahead of them waving it's arms.

Of course this is not a general statement about all scuba divers - but the folks I've run into lately mostly act like they are driving along in SUVs talking on cell-phones - only underwater. Of course theres not alot real obvious to see around here - unless you slow down and look.

Guess it's just the impulse to u/w comeraderie that drives me to drop in on them.
 
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Several times now I've run into scuba divers while freediving around here. Each time, after swimming a couple hundred meters to catch them, it is allmost impossible to get their attention. They seem to plod along of relentlessly - gazing at the bottom in front of them while a nearly-nine-foot-long object swims along next to and slighly ahead of them waving it's arms.

lol~ ! i am with you on that one... and after the dive
"did you see the eagle ray, did you see it? did you see it?"

what eagle ray?

"i was pointing it out to you?"

huh? never saw it :duh
 
I don’t know how many dives I have been on (on less then quality reefs) with others that during the dive I would point this or that out and upon surfacing they would be amazed at all the “life” I showed them. There are a lot of divers that just don’t “look around” or poke into the holes. I could spend a whole dive (and have on occasion) on a 3’ x 3’ reef and still not see everything! I think that there are divers out there that by the time they get in the water (getting to the site/gearing up/getting in the water) they forget why they are there, to enjoy the dive.

John
 
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same here, guys.

and then they tell you that they can stay down a lot longer to look at all those fisheez, no?

monkeys...

roland
 
Perhaps it is because they have almost all the time in the world to look around. Freedivers have to make the best of our time down.
 
Fondueset said:
the folks I've run into lately mostly act like they are driving along in SUVs talking on cell-phones - only underwater.
Hehe... more like tanks! drove me into puzzlement a few times.
 
We were out there the other day - 9 meters or so of water - I was parked on the bottom and my daughter was over the breakwall investigating a mixed school of various types. She spooked a larger fish that was lurking in the school - a trout as it happens. It bolted out right toward and above me and I got to watch it running full tilt approaching me. As it arrived above me it saw me and spooked even more - but it was allready running full on. I could sense the tremendous force as it fought the viscosity of the water; and actually hear the thwop-thwop-thwop of each stroke of it's tail.
 
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I Dive on Scuba and free dive but had a really cool scuba dive a few months ago.
The water was dead calm and warm 22c vis was about 30m and all the fish were very calm and freindly.
I was at about 15 meters towards the end of the dive with my air getting low and i was totally blissed out just in my own little world with the ocean, but i got that realaxed and in the groove that i came very very close to ditching all my gear and just swimming of into the blue.
All that stopped my was a little voice in the back of my head saying you cant breath water, i think i had that much interaction with the marine life i thought i was one of them.
I think a Great White could have swam up to me and i would not have cared,
i wasnt narced of anything just had one of those dives in a 1000 just hope i dont have to do another 1000 to get it again

Crusty
 
I'm tempted to jump on the bandwagon regarding scuba divers, but I think not all of their lack of SA is their fault.

When I got my first scuba tank at age 15 in 1954, I had already been freediving seriously and shooting fish bigger than I was for a couple of years. I was already completely at ease with the ocean environment, and the tank just permitted me to relax and enjoy it at a different level. I think my situation was typical for that era. After all, there were no certification courses, and my only instruction was reading the little owner's manual that said I should not hold my breath while ascending, along with reading "The Silent World."

In contrast, many, if not most, new scuba divers now have little or no experience in the ocean, are afraid of what they might see, and are not even very good swimmers. Its no wonder that they are focused on just breathing in and out and surviving.

My first scuba dive consisted of jumping off my father's charter boat in 25 feet of water with my speargun. After marveling over the fact that I could breath under water and verifying that it was true, I went after that big redfish that was hovering on the edge of visability. It was the same old environment that I had been growing up in, but now I had new capabilities.

Contrast that with the typical new scuba diver today. Last month he tried rock climbing, and now its time to check out scuba diving. There is a certification course, but its dedicated more toward getting him through so that he can buy equipment from the same shop that sold him the course rather than making sure he complies with rigorous standards. Some survivors of this system will turn out to be competent, safe, divers. Many will realize that they are in over their heads (no pun intended) and become a source for cheap barely-used equipment, and others will wander over the bottom not even noticing the freediver who is trying to point out things around them.

Sorry if I seem cynical about certification, but its a result of my personal experience. While I was a Marine officer, I went though a month-long US Navy scuba course at Pearl Harbor in 1962. People were actually permitted to fail, and the instructors didn't have any equipment for sale and only wanted to ensure that I was competent. But at the end of that tour when I was stationed in Caifornia at the start of the certification movement, shops wouldn't accept that Navy course before filling my tanks. They seemed to want to sell me a course first. Was there a conflict of interest? Am I a cynic? You bet your ass.

Later, even though I had taught her to dive before I married her, my wife insisted on going through a certification course. I watched the final pool session, and she was the only one who was even physically capable of swimming the laps around the pool on the surface while wearing her scuba gear. I watched my 12-year-old son do the same thing a couple of years ago, and it confirmed my opinion. I would not have been willing to go diving with any of the other graduates.

Sorry for the ramble, but I think scuba divers are victims of the system. I don't know about other countries, but in the US, the same people who run the course have an interest in the students passing. If there was a high failure rate, then the word would get out and they wouldn't get any students and they wouldn't get any graduates to buy equipment from them.

I returned to freediving at age 57 in 1996. Those tanks got too heavy to don anyway. :)
 
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Fondueset said:
Several times now I've run into scuba divers while freediving around here. Each time, after swimming a couple hundred meters to catch them, it is allmost impossible to get their attention. They seem to plod along of relentlessly - gazing at the bottom in front of them while a nearly-nine-foot-long object swims along next to and slighly ahead of them waving it's arms.

I had a similar experience yesterday. I swam out to see some scuba divers because they were at a spot I usually dive at and I have no depth gauge or dive watch and I wanted to know the depth. I did'nt want to suit up or anything so I just grabbed my fins and mask and swam out to see them. When I swam down I just saw this group of 4 motionless divers looking at the quarry bottom. One of them finally saw me and seemed a little startled. I pointed to his depth gauge but I think he thought I wanted air or something because he was signalling 'no' with his hand :naughty . I was probably using the wrong hand signal so I guess I am to blame.
 
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I scuba (instructor) to introduce new people to the underwater world and for relaxation. nothing is easier and more relaxing then ploding along neutral boyancy et all. if I want to challenge myself I grab the long fins and my speargun and become a predator.

Scuba: sitting in my lazyboy with a good book and a cold beer.
Freediving: SPORT! physical activity, challenging, hunting!

each has their place :D scuba is just to damn easy to be of any challenge anymore.
 
I was freediving down on Bonaire a few years ago and remember droppig down on this coral headat 50' where this guy was scuba diving and trying to snap a picutre of some fish. I would drop down and just hang out watching him for a while and then swim up to recover before I dropped back down again. This went on for a while and he never did notice that I was there.

Another time I was freediving on a wrek with my scooter. I came up on a buddy team and one diver was swimming along with his tank out of his BC just floating behind him- and his buddy didn't even notice! I zipped up, strapped it back in, and took off before they even knew that I had been there. :duh

Freediving makes every thing 3-d, instead of just 2-d as the bottom hugging scubies seem to think. It really awakens you to everything that's going on around you.

Jon
 
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Interesting food for thought.

I'm not sure there is much real difference in situational awareness, given the same activity(say spearing) and similar skills.

Seems like there are at least three things going on. First, scubies are, on average, not very skilled,nor very situationally aware in general. The average level of training certainly doesn't give them much chance to develop much in the way of water skills. Second, the ability to breath makes it much easier to focus on small, narrow things, to the detriment of overall awareness. Bubble noise probably contributes to this. Third, freediving by its nature involves more moving around and looking around. Hard not to be more aware.

I measure my awareness by how quickly I pick up on the arrival of our friends with big teeth. Given I'm spearing, I don't see very much difference between scuba and free, at least for me.

Connor
 
Sure and my intent in starting this one was not to draw big generalizations about scuba vs freediving. Obviously theres alot that goes into freediving that is conducive to good SA - not to mention the crowd it attracts. Because of it's greater poplarity theres inevitably alot of scuba divers who just chug along down there - we run into em and it's fun to yak about it :) I also know some who are way into the environment as well. Jon's story about fixing the guys tank is a hoot!

Speaking of SA - here's some shots I got over the past week or so since I got a camera - be kind - it's my first foray and the water's been mighty cloudy. The 'carp sequence' illustrates a bit about tunnel vision - the huge one in the last shot was right behind me, probably the whole time :) 9 or 10 meters down for that series - I saw them further out but they are just shadows those shots. Check out the slide slow for kicks :)

Novice U/W pics in Lake Michigan
 
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