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South Pacific Gun

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Coral Sniper

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Hey guys I want some advice I am planning on buying a new gun and was going to get a rob allen but I then rememberd the picasso pacific! I need a gun for clear water long shots on skittish reef fish mostly in the 3-10 pond range but I also come acros 30-40 pound coral trout! Kind of hard to get the best of both worlds. I was going to get a rob allen 140 cm but I have herd that the picasso pacific was a great long range shot reef gun! I dont know what gun to get? I dive in Tonga in really clear water around 20-70 feet deep
 
hey mate!
Both are great guns with quite similar properties. If I were you I would get the one which fits my grip best and has the best availability of spare parts in your area.
 
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Sounds like you need a Mamba kitted air gun, even a mamba 90 will deal with most fish up to 20lb. Something like a Asso 115 will give you huge power & range.
 
Fox fish I am a little scared about getting a numatic bucause of parts,were I live there is hardly any dive shops and they have no gun parts. (only undersee spearguns and just a few) I think I want to still go with one of two I talked about before but I will not be able to see it or see how it feels because it will be brout out by a some people I know. Is a rob allen tuffer then a picasso pacific. Thanks ALL
 
Hey Sniper, I'm in Samoa so I imagin our fish & conditions would be pretty similar. No experience with the Picasso but I can definatly recommend the Rob Allen 140 .
I've loaded mine with twin 17mm bands + double wrap of shooting line. One band still gives you enough speed & reach when going after fish against the reef face.both bands will give excellent speed & penetration right to the end of the shooting line for open water shots. Use mine for both skittish 1kg parrots and 30kg GTs.
Hope this helps,
Sean
 
Hey smee I also think a rob allen would work fine but I am still thinking about the picasso. I like the fact that I can use shark fin tabs on the picasso BUT im really scared of haveing problems with the trigger mech! Can you load 2 19mm bands on the picasso pacific 140 and has anybody had problems with this gun this would really help! Thanks so much guys
 
Hiya

Can you load 2 19mm bands on the picasso pacific 140

NO. No euro/rail gun manufacturer will offer a warranty on anything more than 2x16mm's on their guns. Some mech's DO have the ability to hold more power than 2x16's, but most are designed to only accomodate 2x16's. I have a Beuchat Mundial grip that has 3x16's and i know of a Rabitech Apex that also has 3x16's on it.

How-ever, if you feel you need more power than 2x16mm's, then you'd be better off looking at a proper blue water gun. Euro/rail type guns are designed to work with a MAXIMUM of 2x16's and a 8mm spear. Another thing to remember, the longer your gun, the more prone it will be to barrel flex!! You can be pretty sure that your barrel with bend like a banana with 2 short 19/20mm bands on it!!

like the fact that I can use shark fin tabs on the picasso
Well, you're in luck!! RA is about to release their new shafts WITH mini-shark fins, to be used on their closed muzzle guns!!

RA vs Picasso
RA originally used the Simotal grip. This is the IDENTICAL grip which the Picasso range uses. After a considerable amount of time, RA designed its new grip, which is stronger than their old one. I've had problems with both my Picasso mech's, but no hassles with my RA mech's. In my opinion, the new RA VECTA grip is one of the nicest grips on the market today.

Regards
miles
 
Thanks Miles,from what I hear it seems it would be safe to go with the Rob Allen.HA However I am still thinking about the picasso beacuse I herd that on the picasso pacific grip they ''up grade'' the mech and that the the barrel is 32mm.Also is there two picasso pacifics like a part two or something? Sorry for all the questions guys.thanks
 
foxfish said:
Sounds like you need a Mamba kitted air gun, even a mamba 90 will deal with most fish up to 20lb. Something like a Asso 115 will give you huge power & range.

wrong forum buddy rofl

not too many mamba users around these parks ;)
 
Hiya

Foxfish, would you say for guns of the SAME length, say 90cm's, that a 90cm band gun with 2x16's is about as powerful as a mamba of the same size? Or is the mamba MUCH more powerful?

Just curious.......:D:D

Regards
miles
 
miles said:
Hiya

Foxfish, would you say for guns of the SAME length, say 90cm's, that a 90cm band gun with 2x16's is about as powerful as a mamba of the same size? Or is the mamba MUCH more powerful?

Just curious.......:D:D

Regards
miles

mamba is more powerful than 2 x 20's of equal size gun. My asso 115 mamba shoots like a recoiless bazooka! rofl

http://www.team5150.com/~harry/speargun/darkside.wav rofl

Ill never own a band gun again :)
 
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GreekDiver said:
wrong forum buddy rofl

not too many mamba users around these parks ;)
There are three more now! We have just (this morning) received 2 x 90's & a asso 115 for the Guernsey spearos. :)
Miles, mamba kitted guns fire in a different way to rubber guns, they seem to send the spear so much faster with so little recoil. My asso 115 is set at 17atm & is not that difficult to load but I am slowly going to increase the pressure until I reach GD's standard of 23atm. At that rating I believe it will shoot straight too 6mts!!
 
Hiya

6m!!! Great, just bloody GREAT!! :vangry Now i need to look at spending some more $$$$$ on a new gun............ rofl rofl

I've seen a mamba video, with the guys loading their guns by placing the one end on their foot!! How do you load a 115? Same way? How difficult would it be to load a 130 ?

Regards
miles
 
Coral Sniper, you can't go wrong with 140 RA. I'm getting myself a new one (it's on its way), which I intend to use for bluewater hunting (except for big tuna) and, downgrading shaft and bands, for skittish fish up to 10 to 20 lb. in the South Pacific, like you.

You need not load 2 x 19 mm, it's too much power for the rig weight, even with 7.5 mm shaft, and maybe the trigger mech. 2 x 18 or 2 x Dessault's 16 mm, but only using 7.5 mm shaft will be fine. With a 7 mm shaft, the standard 2 x 16 RA bands are plenty, perhaps even better would be one 20 mm band.

My rig will have 2 x 16 mm with the 7.5 mm (and breakaway) for big game (over 40 lb.). When in places like you described, I'll take one band out and use the 6.6 mm shaft. Those shafts are as though as precise. In a recent trip, I shot 7 amberjacks over 25 lb. in three days with a 6.6 mm x 150 cm RA powered by one 16 mm band. Good as knew. I know for a fact that RA is an upfront bloke, but, as St. Thomas, I wanted to see it by myself to believe. I'm sold. Here below are the first 3 victims.
 

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miles said:
Hiya

6m!!! Great, just bloody GREAT!! :vangry Now i need to look at spending some more $$$$$ on a new gun............ rofl rofl

I've seen a mamba video, with the guys loading their guns by placing the one end on their foot!! How do you load a 115? Same way? How difficult would it be to load a 130 ?

Regards
miles

Mine is at 24 atm.
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You dont even see the spear when you shoot. rofl

Loading a 130 is harder but most people go with 115 since the range is super far anways
 
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Coral Sniper
I think the RA should be good for what you want you could also look at an Edge Merou this gun I believe could handle a bit more power -where will your mates be bringing your gun from Aus. ? also you could alternatively build yourself a gun if you have access to Undersea mechs they can handle 3 16mm rubbers and if you have good hardwood like teak or something similar available on Tonga you could make a decent gun your self may save a few $ too.

Foxfish
I don't understand how a pneumatic can have less recoil unless it is less percieved recoil due to heavier gun or less lift due to straight push of compressed air in cylinder over rubbers ? for every action there is an equal and opposite reation - to push a shaft of a given weight to a given speed require a certain amout of force which will be applie in one direction to the shaft and the opposite direction to the gun if the pnuematic is heavier or bigger in diametr it may feel more comfortable but a heaveir or larger diameter rubber gun like an edge should be similar and a very large gun like a tuna gun with only 2 or 3 rubbers may hardly give any percieved recoil due to mass of the gun.
Peter
 
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Foxfish
I don't understand how a pneumatic can have less recoil unless it is less percieved recoil due to heavier gun or less lift due to straight push of compressed air in cylinder over rubbers ?
Peter

Good question mate, I am afraid I cant ansaw the technical side & I dont have much experience with high mass blue water guns.
However I am only trying to share my experience with the guns I use & build.
My mamba kitted guns have no noticeable recoil, at least compared to say my 110 band gun? When you fire a mamba it all feels tight & smooth, the spear fly incredibly straight & fast. From my experience's of firing a band gun, all hell it let loose! The gun jumps in your hand & you see nothing but the result!?
One thing I can tell you for sure is a mamba is a awesome weapon.
 
Thenks Ted and poacher for the info,I have decided to get a rob allen 140 from wild blue nz. I am also thinking of a RA reel what are the pros and cons with a reel? I was also thinking that if I was really deep and I had this strong drag pulling me down and I need to go up what would I do?
 
Probably better to go for a break-away rig. Don't know how effective a reel is against a big GT or dog tooth. The guys at wild blue have a good break away set up - the type that requires the fish to pull on the release rather then deploying everytime you pull the trigger. Only problem is it involves drilling through the barrel so would get them to install it for you if decide to get it.
 
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