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cody909

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Anyone know of a good place to SCUBA/Freedive Spearfish near LA,
Am about 45 min from LA inland and i wouldn't mind traveling a bit to find a nice spot to dive, I prefer reefs and Rocks. Im looking for somwhere where i can go off the Beach since i dont have money to rent a boat, Thanks guys
 
Hi Cody.
There are many places to go depending on what you want to do and what dept.
I'm trying to get more local people together in L.A. area , so we allways can have a buddy for training or just a fun dive, so send me an E-mail or join our L.A. freediving yahoo group and lets do some diving.

Vaclav

 
Okay, Yeah, I was looking for somewhere where its not to hard to get to from a beach, Lots of fish, and i want to Spearfish around rocks or kelp beds, Thanks
Cody
 
Point Dume in Malibu. On the left side of the beach is a nice kelp forest, directly from the beach nice rocks and some kelp and to the right ( little swim out there is a seal rock with some kelp as well. However you have to watch for current if you go to the seal rock and also float with dive flag is a must since there are some boats around. ( as everywhere else I suppose.):)
At this location you can park on top of the hill and then take the stairs down right to the beach, however it's only 2or 3 hour parking. So you may need to park on the street couple of blocks away. Or go to a Zuma beach to the pay parking there and then walk to the end of the beach on left and get in the water there and swim aroun the point Dume cliff ( around the seal rock.

Then Leo Corillo at the end of Malibu has a very nice kelp forest there.
I will be training for dept this week , but I think one day this weekend I want to go out there and just have fun. So let me know if you will be interested.
Vaclav
 
I was looking on google maps and was looking at Point Dume and i was looking for the "Left Side" which i was a little bit confused, Do you mean right under Cliff side Drive? -
[ame="http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Point+Dume&ie=UTF8&ll=34.001149,-118.805326&spn=0.006217,0.009398&t=h&z=17&iwloc=addr"]Point Dume State Beach[/ame] << The image on Google Maps
[ame="http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Point+Dume&ie=UTF8&ll=33.999739,-118.806914&spn=0.003109,0.004699&t=h&z=18&iwloc=addr"]Seal Rocks[/ame] << I belive these are the seal rocks you were reffering to
[ame="http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Leo+Corillo+malibu&sll=33.999739,-118.806914&sspn=0.795807,1.203003&ie=UTF8&ll=34.043019,-118.935478&spn=0.003107,0.004699&t=h&z=18"]Leo Corillo[/ame] << I was wondering if all the "Dark" in the water kelp or rocks...

Thank you much
Also if you have any knowledge of the visiblity or depth lemme know.
[P.S. Im new to Free diving so i can only freedive to like 40ft and hold breath for like 1:40 or so, My static time is 3:01 im trying to improve. Also, Legally do you have to carry a dive flag?]
 
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Yes. It's the beach under the Cliff Drive. Also that is correct picture of the seal rocks and the dark areas in the watter of Leo Corillo is a kelp.

The dept at Leo Corillo is around 30'-40' and at Point Dume it about the same. But it goes down deep to underwater canyon beyond the seal rocks.
The seal rocks are about 30 ft, but right away behind them it goes down.
I was there this last Sunday with a friend and since we did not have a dive flag (and also he lost his weight belt) , so we did no go much further (to stay away from a boat traffic) and we did only 44 ft.

As for dive flag:
California Dive Flags

Rules for CA divers and boaters

There is a lot of controversy about California's weak laws regarding the use of dive flags. If you have any new information, please let me know.


For Divers in California

California Code of Regulations, Title 14, §7008, The Divers Flag, states:

(a) A red flag with a white diagonal running from the upper left hand corner to the lower right hand corner (from masthead to lower outside corner) and known as the "Divers Flag" shall when displayed on the water, indicate the presence of a person engaged in diving in the water in the immediate area.

(b) Recognition of this flag by regulation will not be construed as conferring any rights or privileges on its users, and its presence in a water area will not be construed in itself as restricting the use of the water area so marked.

(c) Operators of vessels will, however, exercise precaution commensurate with conditions indicated.

(d) This flag may be displayed only when diving is in progress, and its display in a water area when no diving is in progress is that area will constitute a violation of the regulation and of section 659 of the Harbors and Navigation Code.

(e) Nothing in this section will require the carriage of a divers flag for any purpose.​
However, as California diving instructor Don Lambrecht brought to our attention, this section of the California Boating Regulations would seem to cover divers:

No person shall use any vessel or manipulate water skis, an aquaplane, or a similar device in a reckless or negligent manner so as to endanger the life, limb, or property of any person.

Every owner, operator, or person in command of any vessel propelled by machinery is guilty of a misdemeanor who uses it, or permits it to be used, at a speed in excess of five miles per hour in any portion of the following areas not otherwise regulated by local rules and regulations:
  • Within 100 feet of any person who is engaged in the act of bathing. A person engaged in the sport of water skiing shall not be considered as engaged in the act of bathing for the purposes of this section.
  • Within 200 feet of any of the following:
    1. A beach frequented by bathers.
    2. A swimming float, diving platform, or lifeline.
    3. A way or landing float to which boats are made fast or which is being used for the embarkation or discharge of passengers.
In addition, certain county and municipal regulations are more specific about the maximum distance you can be from a dive flag. According to an issue of California Diving News, Los Angeles County regulations require "divers more than 200 yards from shore to use a dive flag."
Similarly, here is part of Section 12.08.040 in Manhattan Beach:

No person shall swim, bathe, or immerse himself in the water of the Pacific Ocean opposite any beach regulated by this chapter more than two hundred (200) yards from the shore except ... C. A skin diver equipped with swim fins and a face plate if at all times he maintains within fifty (50) yards of himself a boat or a surf mat, paddle board or surf board upon which there is a rectangular flag twelve by fifteen inches, orange-red in color with a white diagonal stripe three inches wide running from one corner to the diagonally opposite corner. The flag shall be flown high enough so as not to touch the water.​
The state has specific fines of over $100 for "Unlawful Placement of Diver Precaution Markers."


For Boaters in California

As far as we know, California state law still is not specific about how far away boaters need to be from a dive flag. As stated above, Title 14, Section 7008, only states that operators of vessels will "exercise precaution."
However, California Boating Regulations are very specific that you must remain go under five miles per hour within 100 feet of "any person who is engaged in the act of bathing" and 200 feet from a "swimming float, diving platform, or lifeline."



So I would say it is mandatory. Even though the boaters usually do not care much, but it it gives you better chance to be seen.

And of course a dive buddy is always good thing as well.




BTW did you take any FIT or PFI freediving clinics?



Vaclav
 
BTW did you take any FIT or PFI freediving clinics?
No i didnt, I cant afford and there are none inland that i know of.

So I would say it is mandatory.
What do i do? just connect it to a float?

Thank you for this information.
I might need a dive buddy some time soon ;]
 
I have the typical dive float so I have the plastic attachment to place the dive flag in. And I know that some of the spearfishing floats do have some thing too.
Here is ling to inexpensive ones.
Dive Flag Floats Scuba Diving & Snorkeling Equipment - Sports Equipment & Outdoor Gear - BizRate - Compare prices & buy - Discount - Price

There will be PFI clinic in Newport Beach in September ( 27-30th) and maybe FIT clinic in L>A> area in August. (I'm still waiting for a date from them)
Yes they cost, but well worth it.
Anyway let me know if you want to go diving. I'll be training for dept tomorrow around 11 Am at Veterans beach in Redondo and I'm not sure yet where we will dive on Saturday.
Vaclav
 
Yeah, I think Ill make my own, I got 2 old solid boogy boards i think im gonna stack them and put a basket, Flag, Small cooler and what not so i can stay out there and not have to swim inland with the fish every kill :]]

The problem is now the cost
I can only afford to go to beach like once every 2 weeks or so.

With Gas prices around here 5.20+ Per gallon its not easy to afford when u get 14 MPG :]

Also Malibu is 2 hours away its easy a good 150+ $ in Gas haha
 
LOL Actually I'm in process to build one too. And I wanted to sugest it as well , but then I forgot.
There is a boogy board for photographers. It's little wider then a regular one. I thing I will try to get one not as expensive and laminate it so it's more durable.
Yes, the gas is an big issue these days. My car gets about 21 mpg and it still hurts.
I live in Hollywood so I do not know where are you located, but carpooling from here or we can meet half way somewhere is a possibility as well.
If you also join on the lafreediving group on yahoo, I usually post all my dives there and there are more people there as well.
Vaclav
 
Yeah, Sounded like a good idea to me, But im about 1 hour from LA, Im inland - Redlands/San bernardino Area sooo its kinda hard to make it out there much. Lucky you only about 3 min away i believe.

I was wondering if it would be a good idea to hook a float line to the board from my polespear? or would it be bad because it could tip over and spill my other fish ahaha

I dont have a Yahoo account so i don't think i can join the group....
Super jelious tho how much you dive :] i wish i could get down to the ocean that much
 
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It still takes me about 40 min to get to Veterans park and about an hour or so to Leo Corillo. Depending on traffic.
And yes my time in watter is getting better, but that is after a year and half since I moved down here from Seattle, when I did not have anyone to train with at all.
Compared to 2-3 times a week in Seattle plus some pool time as well.

The float line attached to the board is a good idea anyway, since if you spear a bigger fish you may need to leave the spear behind while you go up to breath. That way you are not tempted to fight the fish and black out on the way up. And also get a mesh bag for the fish and let it float in the water. So it doesn't start cooking in the sun. Or have some kind of cover on top of the board. You will need to secure the fish anyway for swim back to the shore thru the surf.:)
Vaclav
 
When using a Float line what is the point, if it is stronger then me to take up dont u think it can take my board with him ? haha

When training what do you do just hold your breath and swim as much as you can?
What i do is swim laps in my pool on single breath holds, My pool is 50+ feet long and i can do 3 laps on one breath thats equal to like 50m right?
meaning i can safely dive to 25m then come back up right?

And also get a mesh bag for the fish and let it float in the water.

Will that attract sharks? will they take my catch?


Thanks tons Vaclav
-Cody
 
I hate to differ with all the previous advice, but if you want to dive in kelp, and that is where all the action is, then you can't use a dive flag or float. Look at this photo of a buddy on my boat, and look at the kelp bed in the background. Do you think you could dive and go under kelp at 20 feet or so of depth, drag a float with you, and come up on the other side? No way. And the fish in my avatar where taken in a much thicker kelp bed.

No one, repeat no one, who has any experience in SoCal uses a float unless he is offshore around floating kelp paddies. It just can't be done.

Your choices are a reel, or a float line with nothing on the rear end, or just a small float on the rear end that serves as something to grab when all the line has been pulled through your hand.
 

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I think im gonna go with a idea i came up with while reading your post,
You know the boogy board wrist bands?
I was thinking about connecting a Float line onto one of those since they dont make reels for polespears :]]]
My pole spear
With my catch do i just brain them then put them in a mesh bag and take them back down with me?
 
Oh damn. I just finished writing a long reply and deleted by accident.
So here we go again.:)
"
I hate to differ with all the previous advice, but if you want to dive in kelp, and that is where all the action is, then you can't use a dive flag or float. Look at this photo of a buddy on my boat, and look at the kelp bed in the background. Do you think you could dive and go under kelp at 20 feet or so of depth, drag a float with you, and come up on the other side? No way. And the fish in my avatar where taken in a much thicker kelp bed.

No one, repeat no one, who has any experience in SoCal uses a float unless he is offshore around floating kelp paddies. It just can't be done.

Your choices are a reel, or a float line with nothing on the rear end, or just a small float on the rear end that serves as something to grab when all the line has been pulled through your hand. [End quote]"


Yes you can not drag a float on the line behind you thru the kelp.
But you can tie the float with the flag on the side of the kelp and dive safer.
And then if you swim from one kelp forest to the other you will be seen easier by the boats.

Many guys here are using kayaks and do not need to use the float with a flag although it's better to do so. ( The dive flag)
Also you can use the float to get some rest if you are getting tired and as general safety.
And yes you can attach the pole spear to the float with the line.
Personally I do not have it attached , but I only take the size of the fish which I know I can bring back to surface with me with out a problem no matter how hard it's fighting.
And I do not use spear gun so can not tell you much about that.

Anyway here are some stories you can read.
The first post is very good and wise.

dive flag [Archive] - Spearboard Spearfishing Community

And now:




[When training what do you do just hold your breath and swim as much as you can?]

No. First of all, let me say that "NEVER" and I mean "NEVER" do any breath hold training in the water by your self .
Always with a buddy.
You have no idea how easy is to black out. And if you are by your self...well you are dead.

With that said there is a proper breath up before each breath hold and also proper breathing after you are done.
That allows you to do more time and safer.


What i do is swim laps in my pool on single breath holds, My pool is 50+ feet long and i can do 3 laps on one breath thats equal to like 50m right?
meaning i can safely dive to 25m then come back up right?

Sorry. Wrong:)
If you would dive in straight line it would take you ( counting the usual speed of 1 meter per second) 25 sec to go down and 25 seconds up. Provided you just turn down there.
So 50 second dive. Easy....
But that would be exactly your max distance you do now in the pool. Where you can surface at any time if you need to.
Which in the dept you can not.
Then there is a pressure. If you will have lets say 5 litres of air in your lungs on the surface how much will you have at 33ft down. ( You are a diver so try do the calculation):) It was in the class.:)
So you will have to count with that.
Also you may have some problems down there. Current, slower speed, etc.

Then there is the equalization issue. Can you equalize very well. Valsava or frenzel? Frenzell is much better and safer for freediving.
You need to learn it well since damaged eardrum is not fun.
Then also going deeper you need to learn how to positionn your head to avoid tracheal squeeze.
I have seen it with dives as shallow as 40 -50 feet.
Also a lung squeeze.
Both tracheal and lung squeezes can be largely prevented.
Starting with proper warm up. In the water and before you get in the watter.

I'm not trying to scare you, but I would hate to see you or anybody to get hurt or died freediving. There is too many of them allready.

So no it's not just as simple as taking a deep breath and going down as far as you can. You should start with shalow dept and lear properly.
As I said before even if it cost some money, you should think of taking a freediving clinic.
Treat it like your scuba. You need to learn the basics and safety first.
Of course there is no licence requirement for freediving, but your life is worth it.

Anyway if you make it down here let me know and I can help. It looks like I will be training in the watter more often, so you can join us anytime.

And dive safe a allways with a buddy.
Vaclav
 
No. First of all, let me say that "NEVER" and I mean "NEVER" do any breath hold training in the water by your self .
I dont try and hold breath in water and i do i got somone doin the stop watch for me ahhaa

As for the boogy board, I think i got a new idea, I think ill just get 1 boogy board, Put a hole in the middle and watter proof the board so it doesnt get water logged, and then stick a flag in the middle and when im ready to go back to shore, Ill ride the waves in :]

Valsava or frenzel?
I dont know the differnce i just pinch my nose and blow when i feel pressure building

One thing i cant stand about this forum and all other ones is no one will tell you how to correctly breath :/

They tell you to do stuff safly and not do this and not do that but they dont tell you what to do

Do you got any suggestions

I relax for like 5 min then i exhale all air and then inhale as much as i can then i go. that got me to my max, 3:01


As for your magic, You look Scary :]]]

Thanks
Cody

(P.S. I appreciate how much time youve spent helping me out, Thanks for your long informative post :D)
 
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