Speargun,please Help

[vedran1]

Hello to all,I`m from Croatia!Can you help me and recommend me which speargun 100 or 110 cm is the best for hunting bigger fishes 5-...kg?
My choice:
1.seac sub x-fire-2 rubers 17.5 mm
2.omer cayman hf-2 rubbers omer 18 power
3.omer t20 carbon ocean mimetic-2 omer 18 power
4.seatec gabbiano-1 rubber 20 mm

Are spearguns which I choice good-which is the best,to me very important is powerful and precision,long work range?Sorry for my english!

thank you,Vedran

 

[vedran1]

And one more question...what is the drifrence between seatec gabbiano and seatec gabbiano trb?I really like that spagheti anser me and all you but i think that he had lot o experience !

 

[spaghetti]

Ciao Vedran.
the 4 guns you mentioned are all very accurate. But strictly talking of accuracy, I say the Gabbiano is a little bit more accurate than the others (and more solid). However, they are 4 very good guns, so choose the one you like more: you can't do wrong with any of them!
Power and range is more complicated to tell.
-When you add more power (2bands), you loose something in accuracy and manouverability.
- With 2 bands you gain some more long range (but not so much, just a little)and more penetration on fish (but a very sharp 6mm shaft shot with a single band, can give you as much penetration as a 6,5 shaft shot with 2 bands: not much different)
-Long range for what? There are guns that shoot up to five or six meters, but you know the fish is not a fixed target: from six meters, most of the times the shaft will arrive on target when the fish will be already gone :t )
So my question is: why do you think you need extra power? Hunting big fish? Very clear water? Let's discuss, because it's a very interesting subject.
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Gabbiano: Gabbiano Trb has the articulated muzzle, Gabbiano Snake has the "australian" muzzle for 2 circular bands.

 

[vedran1]

Ciao Vedran.
the 4 guns you mentioned are all very accurate. But strictly talking of accuracy, I say the Gabbiano is a little bit more accurate than the others (and more solid). However, they are 4 very good guns, so choose the one you like more: you can't do wrong with any of them!
Power and range is more complicated to tell.
-When you add more power (2bands), you loose something in accuracy and manouverability.
- With 2 bands you gain some more long range (but not so much, just a little)and more penetration on fish (but a very sharp 6mm shaft shot with a single band, can give you as much penetration as a 6,5 shaft shot with 2 bands: not much different)
-Long range for what? There are guns that shoot up to five or six meters, but you know the fish is not a fixed target: from six meters, most of the times the shaft will arrive on target when the fish will be already gone :t )
So my question is: why do you think you need extra power? Hunting big fish? Very clear water? Let's discuss, because it's a very interesting subject.
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Gabbiano: Gabbiano Trb has the articulated muzzle, Gabbiano Snake has the "australian" muzzle for 2 circular bands.

Thank You for answer...I don´t write so good on english but I hope that You will unerstand me.

Yes I will huntig big fish and I need 6,5 shaft so I think to put on 2 bands and I´ll take off one band when I will hunting smaller fishes.

Can You post me some pictures of gabbiano snake?Can you tell me which gun do you take?And how many bands,what shaft and setup?

 

[Murat]

Well, i just got gabbiano snake 110 with doble 16mm bands. First let me say,
i used carbon T20 ocean mimetic. It will not be as good balanced as others and will not shoot very good with double 18mm bands. Not even with double 16mm bands. The trigger will be harder to pull too coz of the heavy load of rubbers.

I saw and inspected X-fire it looks verygood for single band use. Very precise and crispy trigger but too slim and light for double band use. So T20 and X-fire is out for double band use.

Now before i bought the snake 110 i inspected cayman HF in the store. It looks good but not as heavy as gabbiano (heavier mass is ver important when shooting with double bands) and the handle did not fit my handle ver well... it was not as wide as gabbiano snake too..and more expensive.

I only tried gabbiano snake once. It is extremly well balanced gun, just like wooden gun. It moves perfectly due to its hydrodynamic shape. Trigger is very sensitive not matter single or double band load. One other great feature is you have a clean line of sight for aim when double bands are loaded unlike many other models. The holes on the muzzle have different leverage and rubber does not get lag on each other so you have a perfect sight for aiming and it also helps for manuverability. Its heavy and well balanced but the handle is very slim, i used to comfy anatomic handles on my wooden guns. They help a lot to hold the gun steady to absorb the recoil in a proper manner. But in this gun its a bit hard to control the recoil on the handle, it kicks backwards. Although the gun shoot accurately most of the time i don't like the feel of recoil. Because of light weight 6.5mm shaft, the shoot will not be very effective at the end of the line. If you are hunting fast moving fishes of med sea the speed will be issue after 3.5-4 meters. But if you are hunting bigger and slower moving fishes like AJ this will not be problem. I think it will work perfect with my single short 19mm primeline band if i don't like double 16mm setup. But i will use it with this setup for quite some time to get used to gun. Its very hard to decide after only one time usage.

 

[vedran1]

Thank you for answer,but now I´m very confused,what should I buy?So,gabbiano snake is the only gun where I can put two bands?Can you recognize me any other gun like gabbiano snake which I can put two bands.I hunting fast moving and big fishes and I need gun who can brake trough that fast and big fish on 4 meter with 6,5 mm shaft......which gun and what and how many bands do you recognize me(euro gun)?what you think about seatec tornado? Thank you all...this is really excelent forum....and you help me but I´m not sure anymore which gun do I need to buy?

Spagheti....what do you think about two bands on that 4 guns that I like?

 

[Murat]

Actually you can put two bands on Cayman HF too, may be it performs as good as gabiano snake but to me it seems to light (lighter mass) for that purpose. I bet you can take most of the fishes with double 16mm bands and 6.5mm spear within 4 meters. But if you want to do that at 6 meters for big and fast movingg fishes, you will need 7mm spear and at least double 18mm bands at the size of the 110cm speargun. And this better to be a proper woodgun. I have such a gun called esperasub and it performs good. There are other good brands which produce such guns with carbon and fiber like BLEU and TRYGON. I did not tried both but i would like to try new TRYGON DMF series which is significantly cheaper than carbon ones. They have the size of the 110cm speargun with a 130cm band strech. Its the size of the 110cm speargun with double 16mm bands and 6.75 spear which is supposed to deliver same energy with 7mm spear pulled with double 18mm bands from 110cm speargun.

 

[vedran1]

OK,thanks...now I understand what I need.What you think about seatec tornado-he has 3 bands (16 mm?),are that good bands on him?And what if I put 2 bands 17.5 or 18 mm on 6.5 shaft?
Now my choice:
seatec gabbiano snake-2 bands 16 or 17.5 mm
seatec tornado-I use his original 3 bands
o.me.r. cayman hf-2 bands o.me.r. 18 power
seac sub x-fire-1 band 19mm

Can I put something on cayman hf so that he´ll be heavier?I think that seatec is my first choice?
Thanks

 

[vedran1]

I find one more great gun...so can you tell me your opinion about her...PATHOS OPEN PRO...it has 2 bands 17.5 mm,I read that it is one of the best gun,the most powerful,best quality on the market?

 

[Murat]

I did not used pathos open, i am sure its a good gun but we can not say its the BEST. They are is no best in spearguns, its just a like car some likes ferrari better than lamborghini or vise versa.

You can not use anything more than double 16mm bands on 6.5mm shaft. Other wise the shaft will flex and won't shoot accurately, will use energy as well due to osicillation during the flight. I used 3 X16mm bands once on my wooden esperasub gun (which is more heavier than any gun you mentioned) with 7mm spear and it did not shoot accuratelly due to excessive recoil. I did not used Tornado but saw it in shop. Theoretically its does not have enough mass and recuired body shape to absorb the recoil of 3X16mm bands.

So with 6.5mm shaft, you can use 2 X 16mm bands. That will give you 5 meter deadly range, even for very big fish. You can even shoot the fish from 6 meters if its not very fast species. Eg. dentex dentex...

with 7mm shaft you will need 2 X 18mm bands. You will need heavy gun with a good body design to absorb the recoil. Wooden guns or the brands that i mentioned before (BLEU or TRYGON) You are supposed to shoot almost everything at the distance of 6 meters with that setup.

 

[vedran1]

Thanks,i can take off one band from tornado and i have 2 x 16 mm bands...i supose that it will be gun like gabbiano snake but lot of people told me that gabbiano snake have very hard head...so tornado may be better choice...what you think?2 x 16 mm and 6.5 mm shaft suposse be better then 1 band 20 mm and 6.5 mm shaft?

 

[spaghetti]

I have a T20 carbon 110 and a Gabbiano Trb 120.
On the T20/110 I sometimes use 2 bands 16mm each with 6,3mm shaft. The trigger becomes a bit rocky under hard load of double bands, and you feel more recoil than on the Gabbiano. But I still would say T20 is a good gun.
On the Gabbiano 120 Trb I have just one 20mm band set and 6,35 shaft. The trigger works fantastic and recoil is under total control.
You see Vedran, I know that many people say that Gabbianos are heavy, but you don't feel the weigth under water cause they're very buoyant, well shaped and balanced.
I havent' tried the Snake so far, but if Murat says it's good, I assume it must be good because Murat has a wide experience with many of the best european spearguns (and he's very demanding).

 

[taco]

Go With A Riffe Competitor 3xs With 3 16mm Bands

 

[Mr. X]

Sounds like you'd prefer a Euro-gun, if not though, have you considered a South African railgun, such as those from Rob Allen or Rabitech (I notice there is at least one other now)? You can order them with single 16mm, double 16mm or single 20mm rubbers, most models include a muzzle that will accept a second rubber band (if not already equipped) & double notched spear. (Bulk rubber bands, Dyneema wishbone, rail, muzzle bungee & clip, & handle clip). Miles owns many guns around the 110cm size - you might want to take a look at some of his previous posts, where he included pictures of his collection (including a C4 carbon gun).

Re. Dentex. TV Chef Rick Stein was on TV last night, eating Dentex on the Med., reckons it is even better than Bass! Must be good

 

[calicohunter31]

Hello to all,I`m from Croatia!Can you help me and recommend me which speargun 100 or 110 cm is the best for hunting bigger fishes 5-...kg?
My choice:
1.seac sub x-fire-2 rubers 17.5 mm
2.omer cayman hf-2 rubbers omer 18 power
3.omer t20 carbon ocean mimetic-2 omer 18 power
4.seatec gabbiano-1 rubber 20 mm

Are spearguns which I choice good-which is the best,to me very important is powerful and precision,long work range?Sorry for my english!

thank you,Vedran

just get a riffe there the best

 

[EDDI]

Hello! I have questions about spearguns. There are Mares Phantom FV 95 and Mares Instinct GT 90 in our shops, but i would like to know what are your thoughts about these spearguns, expecially - Mares Phantom FV 95! Is power and precision good enough? Or i should send Omer Cayman hf-2 rubbers omer 18 power or Seatec Gabbiano-1 rubber 20 mm?? I'm asking because i read these are one of the best, as peple say. Thanke You