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your nickname seems a bit off topic! Why don't you get yourself a fine omer gun?
anyway i've been using a viper for years (now it's in my old glories cabinet)and it's a good gun. Feel free to ask any technical detail.
By now the answer is yes: i stoned a 13,5 kg grouper with a viper 75 three years ago, but after the shot i had to wrestle a bit: the set-up with 16mm Dessault euroslings and 6,5 mm shaft was not enough to pierce it from side to side. On a viper 100 you'd better use stronger bands, such as omer power 18 or even cressi g20, with a shaft not smaller than 6,3mm.
anyway i've been using a viper for years (now it's in my old glories cabinet)and it's a good gun. Feel free to ask any technical detail.
By now the answer is yes: i stoned a 13,5 kg grouper with a viper 75 three years ago, but after the shot i had to wrestle a bit: the set-up with 16mm Dessault euroslings and 6,5 mm shaft was not enough to pierce it from side to side. On a viper 100 you'd better use stronger bands, such as omer power 18 or even cressi g20, with a shaft not smaller than 6,3mm.
I'll tell you this right now, because you'll ask for it.
Chances that your Viper's barrel will leak are about 99%. If you remove the muzzle or the handle, it'll be 100%. Don't panic!
This problem can be easily solved by inserting barrel plugs. The best I've found are the Marc Valentin' plugs. They cost between 2-3 $us
Here's the website of the MV dealer in USA, Federico Neumayer: www.caribeusa.com
They look like this:
Chances that your Viper's barrel will leak are about 99%. If you remove the muzzle or the handle, it'll be 100%. Don't panic!
This problem can be easily solved by inserting barrel plugs. The best I've found are the Marc Valentin' plugs. They cost between 2-3 $us
Here's the website of the MV dealer in USA, Federico Neumayer: www.caribeusa.com
They look like this:
milhouse, good advice, but only some sporas leak, many others don't have any problem.
As far as I know, it just happened that the guns manufactured during a certain period had leaking problem, but not the ones made before or after that period: i think the fault was something wrong in the factory (badly trained personnel or badly set machinery, but just for a limited period of time). However, my Viper is good and doesn't leak, while some of my friends had this problem. I also gave my cousin an Aspic that is perfect, while others had that problem with the Aspic. If omer likes that gun, he can buy it with no worry. If it ever had to leak, it's enough to unscrew the muzzle, spray in a nut of silicone foam and then screw in strongly the muzzle thread. That's how people I know solved it.
As far as I know, it just happened that the guns manufactured during a certain period had leaking problem, but not the ones made before or after that period: i think the fault was something wrong in the factory (badly trained personnel or badly set machinery, but just for a limited period of time). However, my Viper is good and doesn't leak, while some of my friends had this problem. I also gave my cousin an Aspic that is perfect, while others had that problem with the Aspic. If omer likes that gun, he can buy it with no worry. If it ever had to leak, it's enough to unscrew the muzzle, spray in a nut of silicone foam and then screw in strongly the muzzle thread. That's how people I know solved it.
Maybe all the Vipers I've had and tried were from that bad period...
But don't think I'm not in love with these guns. I recommand them first, Viper or Aspic. It's just that many people and I had this problem, so it was just to prevent.
I tried with epoxy and insulating foam, and when I got deep, it busted, so the plugs are the safest way I've found
But don't think I'm not in love with these guns. I recommand them first, Viper or Aspic. It's just that many people and I had this problem, so it was just to prevent.
I tried with epoxy and insulating foam, and when I got deep, it busted, so the plugs are the safest way I've found
milhouse said:
Milhouse, I know you're right: many and many vipers had leaking problem, whole lots. I've just been lucky. I didn't mean you were giving bad advice: you gave good advice. Sometimes when i write in english i cant' finely express my...I miss the word...:head friendly, respectfully.
can you post a link to valenti's site? I just bought a viper 55cm and an Aspic 100cm...yes yes finally switched to a euro gun (except for bluewater beyond the ledge
My girlfriends aspic has a bit of water in it and it hasn't been past 20 or so feet...very little water though but you can certainly hear it.
I do not want the same problems w/ my guns.
I put a rail on my aspic and was considering getting a different muzzle to make it more accurate.
any suggestions?
Thank you all!
My girlfriends aspic has a bit of water in it and it hasn't been past 20 or so feet...very little water though but you can certainly hear it.
I do not want the same problems w/ my guns.
I put a rail on my aspic and was considering getting a different muzzle to make it more accurate.
any suggestions?
Thank you all!
Link to Marc Valentin products: www.caribeusa.com
You can't see the plugs on the website, but he has it. He has also a lot of things that you can't see, from shafts to buoys, screw on bands, etc.
His name is Federico Neumayer, and he's a veeeeery nice guy. E-mail him for more infos on his products.
For your Aspic, a rail is not so important. I put a 2 inches long rail in the middle of the barrel of a no-rail gun, just to prevent the shaft to make noise hitting the barrel. But if you hunt in slow current water, you can live without it. For the muzzle, if the matter is the visibility, you'll need an open muzzle. I don't have any of them, because I buid my own open muzzle, but Omer and Hammerhead look to be very good open muzzle.
(there you'll maybe need a rail, because your bands won't be in-line with the shaft...)
You can SEE the Omer here: http://www.spearfishing.com.au/frameset_load.php?http&&&www.spearfishing.com.au/home.php?hist_id=88
Hammerheads here: http://www.hanapaahawaii.net/shop/default.php?cPath=27_63&osCsid=1a18d5ba97cb621820c47302378c90c3
You can also modify the Aspic muzzle to an open one. http://img328.imageshack.us/my.php?image=190920040073eu.jpg
You can't see the plugs on the website, but he has it. He has also a lot of things that you can't see, from shafts to buoys, screw on bands, etc.
His name is Federico Neumayer, and he's a veeeeery nice guy. E-mail him for more infos on his products.
For your Aspic, a rail is not so important. I put a 2 inches long rail in the middle of the barrel of a no-rail gun, just to prevent the shaft to make noise hitting the barrel. But if you hunt in slow current water, you can live without it. For the muzzle, if the matter is the visibility, you'll need an open muzzle. I don't have any of them, because I buid my own open muzzle, but Omer and Hammerhead look to be very good open muzzle.
(there you'll maybe need a rail, because your bands won't be in-line with the shaft...)
You can SEE the Omer here: http://www.spearfishing.com.au/frameset_load.php?http&&&www.spearfishing.com.au/home.php?hist_id=88
Hammerheads here: http://www.hanapaahawaii.net/shop/default.php?cPath=27_63&osCsid=1a18d5ba97cb621820c47302378c90c3
You can also modify the Aspic muzzle to an open one. http://img328.imageshack.us/my.php?image=190920040073eu.jpg
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Jolly unfortunate! If you read the posts above, you can easily solve the problem. I feel guilty and sorry: I knew some vipers had this problem, but believe me not mine and not the most people i know. However:
1- unscrew the muzzle (there's a metal thread inside the front-center of it, and plastic nail on the side)
2-piss out the water from the barrell
3-spray a nut of silicone foam into the edge of the barrell by the o-ring (if there's any!) for addictional insulation
4-fix back the muzzle screwing tightly the thread.
I hope this will be enough to avoid any leaking for a loooong time. If not, follow Milhouse's advice. I'm sorry, don't worry (but why didn't you buy yourself a fine omer gun? ...joking)
1- unscrew the muzzle (there's a metal thread inside the front-center of it, and plastic nail on the side)
2-piss out the water from the barrell
3-spray a nut of silicone foam into the edge of the barrell by the o-ring (if there's any!) for addictional insulation
4-fix back the muzzle screwing tightly the thread.
I hope this will be enough to avoid any leaking for a loooong time. If not, follow Milhouse's advice. I'm sorry, don't worry (but why didn't you buy yourself a fine omer gun? ...joking)
milhouse said:
"schiuma siliconica" in italian, it's a kind of spray glue making a foaming effect. But it's not even necessary. Feeling sorry for omer, today i rang up my friend whose viper leaked, and he told me exactly what to do in order to be sure that it won't leak any more from the muzzle:
-take off the muzzle unscrewing the thread
-grease the gasket or o-ring inside
-(additionally: put a cork into the barrell fixing it with water resistant glue)
-put the muzzle back into it and tighten strongly the coaxial metal thread that's in the center of the muzzle: this is the most important operation. Tightening very strongly that thread will make bigger the gasket inside (that you've greased before) and lock the barrell from water infiltration.
-finally enjoy your viper
PS: the friend who gave me these instructions is a guy from my mother's hometown who won the national championship of underwater target shooting with a viper. It's a good gun. I'm sorry if omer had problems after my purchasing advice.
:duh
I was UK Sporasub rep for a couple of years importing the gear and trying to build a market; not enough spearos to make it a viable business in the end. When Sporasub wenr from France (Marseille) to new Italian owners Mares the quality control on guns went out of the window. Nearly all the guns I sold in UK leaked; Sporasub didn't seem too concerned by this. I visited the production facilities in Italy on more than one occasion and everything was state of the art; Mares doesn't suffer the same quality control issues as far as I'm aware. I never got to the bottom of the 'leaky gun' issue. You are better off buying from Dessault who was the original designer of all Sporasub gear and is still based in Marseille. His gear is definitely Q.C.'d before it leaves the shop and is excellent.
bah, seems i turned to be the bad guy in this thread and that's embarassing, mainly because I generally prefer Omer gear to spora's. But i've personally met guys who quite recently won competitions and set records with sporasub gear...
How do you say in english? Just my 2 cents
How do you say in english? Just my 2 cents
Don't feel like the bad boy:naughty
The only stuff I use from Sporasub are guns and masks. And we talk about cheap, low-end guns. Anyway, I think they don't make Viper/Aspic anymore. I've looked at their new Instinct, and I think Sporasub is wrong with this gun.
Sporasub product line can't be compared with the Omer line. But we can compare the Viper with the Excalibur, who are both cheap guns...
The only stuff I use from Sporasub are guns and masks. And we talk about cheap, low-end guns. Anyway, I think they don't make Viper/Aspic anymore. I've looked at their new Instinct, and I think Sporasub is wrong with this gun.
Sporasub product line can't be compared with the Omer line. But we can compare the Viper with the Excalibur, who are both cheap guns...