Static Research

[samdive]

A few questions, I'm trying to do some mythbusting......

How long is your best static (in the water)?
How long is your best static (dry)?
Do you use packing for static?
Do you use hyperventilation for static?
Do you regularly use CO2 Tables?
Do you regularly use Hypoxic Tables?
Do you do any other static training - gym training, apnea walks, apnea swimming?
Do you actually ENJOY static?

Please answer them if you train static regularly. If you don't want to answer them all (all you competitive types who like to keep your PBs secret!), just answer what you fancy!

Thanks

Sam

 

[Evita]

I don't mind airing my PBs to help research...

How long is your best static (in the water)? 5.15
How long is your best static (dry)? 4.45 (table, I don't do max dry attempts)
Do you use packing for static? No
Do you use hyperventilation for static? If slow, deep breathing is hyperventilation, then yes
Do you regularly use CO2 Tables? Yes - at least I used to and now I am picking it up again
Do you regularly use Hypoxic Tables? Yes - at least I used to and now I am picking it up again
Do you do any other static training - gym training, apnea walks, apnea swimming? Lots of swimming and dynamic training and nothing else
Do you actually ENJOY static? Yes, afterwards :t

 

[IronLung]

How long is your best static (in the water)? 4:45
How long is your best static (dry)? 6:04
Do you use packing for static? No
Do you use hyperventilation for static? 2 or 3 breaths
Do you regularly use CO2 Tables? no
Do you regularly use Hypoxic Tables? no
Do you do any other static training - gym training, apnea walks, apnea swimming? rarely
Do you actually ENJOY static? yes

 

[jome]

Ok, I'll bite

How long is your best static (in the water)? 7:46
How long is your best static (dry)? 8:15
Do you use packing for static? Yes, and for top static quite a bit (sometimes almost 3 L). I would preferer without, but the performance benefit is just too much to resist. Try to avoid "bursting" feeling in static nowadays and am quite careful to not over do it...
Do you use hyperventilation for static? Slightly - depends on definition, but I do "breath up".
Do you regularly use CO2 Tables? No
Do you regularly use Hypoxic Tables? No
Do you do any other static training - gym training, apnea walks, apnea swimming? Do a lot of endurance training (running, swimming, biking) and some gym training. No other apnea training than static and diving it self (pool or ow)
Do you actually ENJOY static? When you really hit the flow - yes. But on most days, certainly not. Or maybe, in a weird masochistic way. Currently I don't train the deed it self so much at all actually. Only bouts of few weeks before competitions...

 

[Flojt]

How long is your best static (in the water)? 5'35"
How long is your best static (dry)? 5'30"
Do you use packing for static? yes, not max pack but do pack.
Do you use hyperventilation for static? Slow deep breaths, yes
Do you regularly use CO2 Tables? once or twice a month
Do you regularly use Hypoxic Tables? once or twice a month
Do you do any other static training - gym training, apnea walks, apnea swimming? Apneaswim, -walk
Do you actually ENJOY static Some days more, some less.

 

[SanSan]

How long is your best static (in the water)? 6.18
How long is your best static (dry)? 6.31
Do you use packing for static? yes, alot
Do you use hyperventilation for static? i hyperventilate till 2 mins to start then start breathing normaly
Do you regularly use CO2 Tables? no
Do you regularly use Hypoxic Tables? no
Do you do any other static training - gym training, apnea walks, apnea swimming? not for statics actualy, but up in a while i do apnea gym
Do you actually ENJOY static? mostly not, but sometimes its realy enjoing.

 

[naiad]

Everyone else has gone public, so I'll bite too.

How long is your best static (in the water)? 4:45
How long is your best static (dry)? 5:45
Do you use packing for static? Yes, but not to the max, just a few packs. I don't usually pack for dry statics, only in the pool.
Do you use hyperventilation for static? Yes. Not violent huffing and puffing, but I do breathe fast and deeply for about 2min. This is my only preparation.
Do you regularly use CO2 Tables? Yes.
Do you regularly use Hypoxic Tables? Yes.
Do you do any other static training - gym training, apnea walks, apnea swimming? No. I do dynamic training in the pool, but no gym training or swimming.
Do you actually ENJOY static? Yes. (Most of the time...)

 

[Cornholio]

How long is your best static (in the water)? 4:30
How long is your best static (dry)? 6:00
Do you use packing for static? No
Do you use hyperventilation for static? No (...well, sometimes, but never wet)
Do you regularly use CO2 Tables? No
Do you regularly use Hypoxic Tables? No
Do you do any other static training - gym training, apnea walks, apnea swimming? Some apnea walks and swimming
Do you actually ENJOY static? Yes, until it gets difficult...

 

[timo]

How long is your best static (in the water)? 8:36
How long is your best static (dry)? ~7:00
Do you use packing for static? yes
Do you use hyperventilation for static? no
Do you regularly use CO2 Tables? no
Do you regularly use Hypoxic Tables? no
Do you do any other static training - gym training, apnea walks, apnea swimming? no
Do you actually ENJOY static? yes

 

[perow1]

How long is your best static (in the water)? 6.51
How long is your best static (dry)? 7.04
Do you use packing for static? yes
Do you use hyperventilation for static? Sometimes; trying to figure out what suits me.
Do you regularly use CO2 Tables? No
Do you regularly use Hypoxic Tables? No
Do you do any other static training - gym training, apnea walks, apnea swimming? General fitness and freediving.
Do you actually ENJOY static? It´s interesting.

 

[O'Boy]

How long is your best static (in the water)? 5.36
How long is your best static (dry)? 6.53
Do you use packing for static? yes
Do you use hyperventilation for static? No, I try to avoid it as much as it gets.
Do you regularly use CO2 Tables? No
Do you regularly use Hypoxic Tables? No
Do you do any other static training - gym training, apnea walks, apnea swimming? General fitness and apnoe running.
Do you actually ENJOY static? Yes

 

[samdive]

Thanks guys and girls! what a response!
this is cool, I was working with some of the others on the AIDA courses and putting together some static stuff made me wonder what everyone else does. I will try and put this into some kind of formal results table at some point - keep em coming, PM me if you don't want to go public

By hyperventilation - I mean more huffing and puffing, fast heavy breathing - not the traditional, slow, deep breathe up (which yes, I know is hyperventilation as well!)

Thanks

Sam

 

[naiad]

I don't ever do huffing and puffing hyperventilation, or long periods (several minutes or more) of hyperventilation. These don't give me good results, and I haven't seen anyone doing impressive statics or dynamics with these methods. I do slow or fast deep breaths for 2min, sometimes until I am a bit hypocapnic. I do more of this dry than in the pool, because it has a much stronger effect in the water for some reason.

Lucia

 

[Waterenthusiast]

How long is your best static (in the water)? 5'18"
How long is your best static (dry)? 5'07"
Do you use packing for static? yes, a bit
Do you use hyperventilation for static? No
Do you regularly use CO2 Tables? No
Do you regularly use Hypoxic Tables? No
Do you do any other static training - gym training, apnea walks, apnea swimming? 3x a week training in pool (mostly dynamic) + empty lung gym
Do you actually ENJOY static? Yes, when i can get into a deep relaxing state

 

[jome]

By hyperventilation - I mean more huffing and puffing, fast heavy breathing - not the traditional, slow, deep breathe up (which yes, I know is hyperventilation as well!

In that case "no" for me...

If I may ask, what are you getting at?

 

[Apnealp]

How long is your best static (in the water)? 5'30 but never tried much...
How long is your best static (dry)? 6'47
Do you use packing for static? no
Do you use hyperventilation for static? yes but i have spasms before 4 min anyway
Do you regularly use CO2 Tables? no
Do you regularly use Hypoxic Tables? no
Do you do any other static training - gym training, apnea walks, apnea swimming? empty lungs
Do you actually ENJOY static? yes but few weeks a year

thanks for this survey

 

[samdive]

Just trying to crush a few myths I have heard along the way

The first one to get busted is "you can generally do at least 1 minute more dry than in the water! - never was true for me, doesn't seem to be true for most people.

Next time I will try asking the one about "whatever depth you can dive in warm water, knock of 10m for cold water" - also not true for me

Hyperventilation - I have been "coached" by a couple of people along the way who really went in for huffing and puffing big time. I usually found it worked for me in terms of longer statics, once or twice and then stopped adding anything. Long term, working on the whole breathe up being as calm and deep as possible was much more help.

We are also putting together the AIDA Courses for next year and including some stuff on tables, dry training and I just wondered how many people actually use that stuff.

Keep em coming if you have not yet contributed!

Thanks again

Sam

 

[naiad]

The first one to get busted is "you can generally do at least 1 minute more dry than in the water! - never was true for me, doesn't seem to be true for most people.

Although this is true for me, it may be because I am doing things differently in the pool than dry. When I do dry statics, I leave short intervals between them. When I am in the pool, the intervals are longer because I have to spot someone else, so there isn't much improvement from one static to the next. My first pool static is at least as good as my first dry static, sometimes better, but then there is not much improvement on subsequent attempts. When I do dry statics, I almost always do much better on the second and third attempts.

Lucia

 

[perow1]

The first one to get busted is "you can generally do at least 1 minute more dry than in the water! - never was true for me, doesn't seem to be true for most people.

Next time I will try asking the one about "whatever depth you can dive in warm water, knock of 10m for cold water" - also not true for me

It is a big difference in what you CAN do and what you have done. Atleast for me my in water static is much more recent than my dry. Looking at my answer it may seem that it differs only just above ten seconds.

However, my dry PB is waaay much older and since i got fed up with doing dry statics i have not improved. Around the time when i did my best dry statics i was closer to that hypothetical minute you are talking about.

Still I beleave a conclusion on the difference between dry and wet only can be done if you do it with similar warm up etc. AND that you feel that you have reached your personal limit since you have to be optimized to perform in the conditions (dry or wet) in which you are about to measure the performance. I doubt this can be done bo juggeling with paralell performances and to be able to compare the both you must uot the possibility that you actually have improved as a breathholder.

Talking about warm/cold waters I guess it depends on what is stopping you. If you have problems with equalisation i guess the 10m will be less BUT if you are stopped by something else, lets say oxygen consumption the 10m will be more. I would not dive within 10m of my PB in my "home waters" where i find +20 at surface (at best) and black water colder than about 4 degrees as shallow as -10m. I most definatly could go down there, and deeper, but suit and weights would stop me from getting up. But performing in slightly warmer conditions which many would consider freezing I can go closer to my PB than 10m This is an experiment i would NOT like to do. :t :naughty

 

[efattah]

How long is your best static (in the water)? 7'58"
How long is your best static (dry)? 8'20"
Do you use packing for static? yes, to the max and I hate it
Do you use hyperventilation for static? depends on definition
Do you regularly use CO2 Tables? NO
Do you regularly use Hypoxic Tables? NO
Do you do any other static training - gym training, apnea walks, apnea swimming? Apnea hiking only
Do you actually ENJOY static? No, and the part I hate the most is the packing

The problem with static is that for me, to get a good time, I have to pack so much that I am in great pain in my lungs, and I risk lung injury, and I often get lung injuries from overpacking in static. However, this is the only way to get a good time (for me). For this reason I consider static one of the most dangerous events. For me, it is the only event which routinely causes me physical harm/damage.