Super Static Training Shortcut needed

[samdive]

OK folks.. I haven't done a proper static (as in, in water and actually trying) for more than a year

I was doing about 5 minutes wet, now I'm only managing about 3 minutes dry....

I'm doing a comp in 4 weeks

I can't get into a pool to train.....

Any bright ideas???

S

PS Ideas already submitted and rejected:

• get very hungover
• Hyperventilate like a loony
• buy a paddling pool and start training now
• stop eating NOW and fast for 4 weeks

 

[efattah]

Apnea hiking up a steep hill, 100% max speed til you can't hold your breath anymore, then breathe 60 seconds and hike in apnea (60-sec breathe, hike in apnea, 60 sec breathe, hike in apnea, etc). Do this for 20 minutes twice a week. After a single day of this exercise my static increased by more than 1 minute. Take lots of antioxidants and be wary of overtraining.

 

[SEDATE]

samdive
i was able to hold my breath 7/ 7:30 last summer easly..
but
i gave a big break and last month i tested how can i hold it was just 3 min .. and decided to not to brearhold.. i made a small plan... i run 5 km just 2 week ..because i wanted to inrease tisue o2 ..the rest 15 days i done only lung exercise to inrease elacity.. yesterday i hold my breah 4:30 ..Hımm i think if i study a bit lung exercise and i will try again max hold.. i use only max hold.. it takes 10 minutes work apnea..
2 min rest...
2:30 till first con comes
2 min rest
2:30+1 min=3.30 hold
3 min rest...
max hold
4:30 ...toooooo bad but what can i do...
cheers..

e to study apnea.. work..work.. work.. money..money.. money...) i can touch 6+ within a month ..
while hikeing as erik said i find out something useful.. i start walkng as slowly as and starting same time filling my lung as much as i can.. let say 20 steps.. i exale slowly and walkin a little bit i fell i am ready ..i fill up my lung.. it is an exercise to win elacity to my rib cage..
if you find a useful think you can attach here
Hımm forget.. before i would use my mental relaxion perfectly and i was happy with my constractions..but one is missing.. happy wit cons. but unhappy with mental relaxation.. it has gone to somewhere i duno...
take care ..
cheers

 

[BennyB]

Just grow a set Sam

Sorry couldn't resist.

Personally I think you're breath hold is there but it might be a CO2 tolerance thing. CO2 tolerance is the first thing to go on me if I haven't been at it for a while. Do some CO2 tables and get used to the uncomfortable feeling of contractions again. That should take you some part of the way.

Cheers,
Ben

 

[Jon]

Eric,

Assuming I have no steep hill, but I do have a grass field, can I just do apnea walking, or running, with the same breathing pattern to get similar results?

Jon

 

[DeepSeaSki]

Sam,
I can't offer you any advice.... only encouragement. Do your best and give it your best. Whatever the results are you will have the satisfaction of knowing you gave it a full, honest attempt and also you will have a great benchmark to work off of for continued training. I really appreciate that you asked this question because it gave me some great training tips. Good luck and post the results so we can see how you do.
-Alex aka DeepSeaSki

 

[efattah]

Eric,

Assuming I have no steep hill, but I do have a grass field, can I just do apnea walking, or running, with the same breathing pattern to get similar results?

Jon

It needs to be really steep, or even stairs. But running, stairmaster or biking don't seem to work as well. The steepness combined with 100% speed effort seem to be required to cause leg failure. Apnea stairmaster/bike/walking work too, but not as well as something really steep where you go full out.

I finish the exercise with 40 minutes of hiking up hill, while breathing. This seems to clear our the waste products in my legs.

 

[Jon]

I guess that if the hill is really steep you won't have as far to fall when you pass out. :crutch

I'll look around the parks and see what I can find.

Thanks,

Jon

 

[Bill]

Hi Sam. I just went through something similar. It's a bad spot to be in. Four weeks just isn't enough. The more you push or worry, the worse things get. Have to remember that this is a head game. Even with perfect training your performance will be erratic because a good base is missing. I think that the best training would be lots and lots of holds with very few near max. Maybe pyramid style, maybe without the watch. Spend most of the training finding that comfort zone again. If you keep it short and easy, you can do twice a day sessions. When things don't go right I use hypnotism as a crutch.
You can find a way.
Good luck

 

[Fondueset]

I've done a version of this on flat land with very low running or walking with a very low stance.

 

[SEDATE]

Bill
There is always more things to learn from you ..
what exactly you mean'' When things don't go right I use hypnotism as a crutch.
''
Could you please open it a little bit?
Cheers...
Sed

 

[Bill]

Sed
Self hypnosis is about relaxing as much as possible (almost asleep) just like you want to do for a static. When statics are going well, it doesn't seem to make any difference but when I'm struggling, it helps. It helps with my sleep pattern and also brings back memories of my daughter studying psychology and experimenting with it, on me. All good stuff.

 

[samdive]

Thanks folks - some great ideas! Plenty of steep hills around where I live so that's a good one for me...
and yes Bill, i know what you mean about the hypnotism. I've done some NLP training and find it really useful

now I've got to go and work at a trade fair in Milan for a week - sharing a room with a load of other women so god knows how I'm going to do any training!

hmmm.. not sure I will be posting those results : )

S

 

[DeepSeaSki]

Good Luck Sam......
Alex

 

[SEDATE]

Sed
Self hypnosis is about relaxing as much as possible (almost asleep) just like you want to do for a static. When statics are going well, it doesn't seem to make any difference but when I'm struggling, it helps. It helps with my sleep pattern and also brings back memories of my daughter studying psychology and experimenting with it, on me. All good stuff.

Hımm ..I got it Bill
Thank You for your answer and also thanks to samdive open a very good thread
hope that this thread is gonna be the real way to come back to apnea :crutch
Cheers to ALL

 

[Kars]

Like stated, work on CO2 tolerance, but also work on endurance/condition/stamina.
I like to train those seperately. Doing CO2 table with a total underwater time of about 20min, after wich I'm pretty tired.
For endurance condition and stamina, I'll do swimming and cycling. Cycling to the pool, I go fast for about 30 min to the trainstation. Than after the journey I'll swim 3 KM in a pool. 1KM continious 25m UnderWater, 25 above. Than 1KM monofinning on the surface at a ramping up high intensity which at the and is very intence at the and where I'm pracctically sprinting puting everything I got in it for the last 200m.
Than after some stretching I put on my monofin for a short km of apnea lane swimming, aiming for technique and relaxation.

Than after the training I need to cycle back, another 10km...

At home I'm tyred, do a few stretches, eat vitamin c, pasta, shouwer and sleep.

Attitude,
Though I have many nerves when going to a comp these days, I perform the best when I'm not wanting too much and have the attitude of we will see.
I still have to work hard on this mindset though...

Kars

 

[samdive]

quick update - I'm back to 4 minutes (although dry, still haven't had a chance to train in a pool)

Most successful technique so far is Benny's "I'm not going to do less than...." approach....

working with a warm-up pattern of 3 holds - 2 mins, 3 mins, 4mins+ and that's working

thanks so much!

(did some CO2 tolerance stuff before trying this pattern - so that obviously helped too!)

two weeks to go...

S

 

[Flojt]

Hi Sam

I feel you, I have moved to a new country and to a new work, havent been to the pool more than 3 times since mid Dec. Thats when I hit a new PB a nice 6+ while doing a set of three STA, one close old Pb or over my PB.

Last week I dragged my self to the pool and had a STA session with the team, took 10 min in water warm up for lungs and body. Changed my breathe up pattern to 4 min breathing and just 8 packs then held a 4'30+ whit very late contractions, the two STA after that was over 5'24 and 5'26 late contractions on them to and was starting to feel cold and shiver on the last one, but the STA it self feelt ok and relaxed, even if I had contractions for 2 befor ending the STA.

So my conlusion is a relaxed mind and a good team mate thats peptalks you trhu the last part of the STA has a siginficant effect as good work out has. so add them 2 factors together and you'll be right on track to you old times and setting new PB's

Keep up the good work Sam.

OK folks.. I haven't done a proper static (as in, in water and actually trying) for more than a year

I was doing about 5 minutes wet, now I'm only managing about 3 minutes dry....

I'm doing a comp in 4 weeks

I can't get into a pool to train.....

Any bright ideas???

S


PS Ideas already submitted and rejected:

• get very hungover
• Hyperventilate like a loony
• buy a paddling pool and start training now
• stop eating NOW and fast for 4 weeks

 

[samdive]

quick update.... did 4 mins 30 this morning! (dry, but usually my in-water holds are better than my dry ones!)

one week to go folks.....

 

[island_sands]

quick update.... did 4 mins 30 this morning! (dry, but usually my in-water holds are better than my dry ones!)

one week to go folks.....

nice one Sam. wishing you luck!!