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Thermocline was too cold to dive

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I took my level 1 FII class this weekend and in the open water portion i was very excited at first. Felt amazing on my first dive to 5m. Felt good more or less on my 10m dive to test bouyancy, that was on the border of the temp change. But could not bring myself to dive any deeper into the extremely colder water level. I had no issues with air or equalizing but once i hit that cold level i just needed to turn around. Im hoping the fact that i didnt wear a hooded suit is the cause. Once my exposed head hit that water im guessing in the mid 50's i lost all concentration and aborted the dive every time. The temp of the water at the surface was around 66. It was frusterating because i felt like i had enough air to easily reach the max depth aloud at 20m.

Will wearing a hooded suit alone help with this problem? Everyone else had a hooded open cell suit but me and none of them seemed nearly as bothered by the temp change at depth. Many of which i had more experience than and felt like i was a more capable diver.
 
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+1 for the hood - it's a must. After diving in a lake (usually pretty cold), I sometimes used to take off the suit and go for a quick surface swim. When it was really cold, my head would freeze pretty quickly, headache and disorientation would set in and overall gave me a pretty strong sign that I should end the swim there. Let alone hitting a thermocline with no hood on...
 
The thermocline can be a wonderful thing because the cold water will kick in temperature related dive reflex. Comfortable and effortless; the colder the better. That is one of the best parts of diving in CA. A hooded suit makes it easier though.
 
The thermocline can be a wonderful thing because the cold water will kick in temperature related dive reflex. Comfortable and effortless; the colder the better. That is one of the best parts of diving in CA. A hooded suit makes it easier though.

Yeah like i said i felt perfectly fine on air. My body just refused to continue to swim deeper into that cold water. The fact that the vis dropped to less than 5ft at that same depth probably didnt help mentally.
 
Yeah like i said i felt perfectly fine on air. My body just refused to continue to swim deeper into that cold water. The fact that the vis dropped to less than 5ft at that same depth probably didnt help mentally.

That's why most southern California divers wear 5mm hooded open cell suits even in the summer. You may be hot on the surface but you can just take the hood off or pull the hood open around the chin to flood the suit with cool water. If you are doing active dives--shallow aerobic diving, hanging around boils in rocks and currents, touch and go line dives--basically swiming--then exertion can keep you very warm. But if you are going VERY slow to maximize DR, save O2, and/or not frighten fish, or just habitually hang out under the thermocline because it makes you happy, etc, even in the summer after a few hours, your core might get cold even in a quality 5mm hooded open cell. San Diego County is much warmer but most spearos I know who fish down there still wear 5mm hooded suits.

A suit (and hood) also offers some protection from blunt trauma; why smart kayak divers have their hoods up during entry/exit even if they don't need them from warmth--a few mm of neoprene might be the difference between 'ouch' and being knocked out by your kayak.
 
That's why most southern California divers wear 5mm hooded open cell suits even in the summer. You may be hot on the surface but you can just take the hood off or pull the hood open around the chin to flood the suit with cool water. If you are doing active dives--shallow aerobic diving, hanging around boils in rocks and currents, touch and go line dives--basically swiming--then exertion can keep you very warm. But if you are going VERY slow to maximize DR, save O2, and/or not frighten fish, or just habitually hang out under the thermocline because it makes you happy, etc, even in the summer after a few hours, your core might get cold even in a quality 5mm hooded open cell. San Diego County is much warmer but most spearos I know who fish down there still wear 5mm hooded suits.

A suit (and hood) also offers some protection from blunt trauma; why smart kayak divers have their hoods up during entry/exit even if they don't need them from warmth--a few mm of neoprene might be the difference between 'ouch' and being knocked out by your kayak.

Good point on protection - I knocked my head before on rocks as I was descending, much better with the hood on :)
 
That's why most southern California divers wear 5mm hooded open cell suits even in the summer. You may be hot on the surface but you can just take the hood off or pull the hood open around the chin to flood the suit with cool water. If you are doing active dives--shallow aerobic diving, hanging around boils in rocks and currents, touch and go line dives--basically swiming--then exertion can keep you very warm. But if you are going VERY slow to maximize DR, save O2, and/or not frighten fish, or just habitually hang out under the thermocline because it makes you happy, etc, even in the summer after a few hours, your core might get cold even in a quality 5mm hooded open cell. San Diego County is much warmer but most spearos I know who fish down there still wear 5mm hooded suits.

A suit (and hood) also offers some protection from blunt trauma; why smart kayak divers have their hoods up during entry/exit even if they don't need them from warmth--a few mm of neoprene might be the difference between 'ouch' and being knocked out by your kayak.

Good stuff. Now i tend to run hotter then the average person. Would you still recomend a 5mm open cell suit to me? Currently in summer i stay warm enough in a 5mm closed cell suit on the sutface with no hood. Pretty much all the other divers in the class had 3mm open cell suits instructor included.
 
Good stuff. Now i tend to run hotter then the average person. Would you still recomend a 5mm open cell suit to me? Currently in summer i stay warm enough in a 5mm closed cell suit on the sutface with no hood. Pretty much all the other divers in the class had 3mm open cell suits instructor included.

Honestly I don't know as most of my friends that dive down there are spearos. I just know that I have good cold water tolerance but get cold much much faster if I am doing deeper dives where I hang motionless or nearly motionless on the bottom under the thermocline or otherwise. 5mm suit, lobster diving in the winter in a current (aerobic dives to 15-25', swimming against current even when 'resting') I am good for hours. But 60' drops onto a reef where all I really do is kick to 30' real slow, sink and lay there until it's time to surface.. 90 minutes and I am shivering and cold enough that my judgement is getting compromised. Winter water temp may be low 50's on the surface.
 
Honestly I don't know as most of my friends that dive down there are spearos. I just know that I have good cold water tolerance but get cold much much faster if I am doing deeper dives where I hang motionless or nearly motionless on the bottom under the thermocline or otherwise. 5mm suit, lobster diving in the winter in a current (aerobic dives to 15-25', swimming against current even when 'resting') I am good for hours. But 60' drops onto a reef where all I really do is kick to 30' real slow, sink and lay there until it's time to surface.. 90 minutes and I am shivering and cold enough that my judgement is getting compromised. Winter water temp may be low 50's on the surface.

Alrighty thanks for the info.
 
When I lived in the North Cascades National Park in the US I frequently had jack all to do except 1. Hike to the top of something tall. 2. Freedive in alpine lakes. And thermoclines were serious stuff and also something I had to contend with. Glacier melt fed lakes are balls cold a couple meters under the surface, even in summer!!

It initially felt like mother nature had set a line and told me not to cross it. A really cold thermocline could bring a sense of real dread. Like the first time you swim out from a reef and over a near vertical wall drop, or the first time you enter a powerful rip current. No amount of knowing it was there ahead of time really made me comfortable with it, I had to become physically acquainted and comfortable with practice. (Like now I get all psyched up because wall drops are where the big ocean animals are so I seek them out, or entering from shore at a rip current I'm all familiar with gets me a free ride out to sea -- haha keep kicking from the boat launch suckers.)

What I found was I needed 2 mm of neoprene EVERYWHERE to tolerate the temperature changes. Like, what seemed like thin gloves made a big difference in my comfort. I had decent cold tolerance, but if I was going to ride the hydroelectric dam current intakes across the dead, empty rock cliffs that used to be canyons I NEEDED COVERAGE to stop the horrible jolts of cold as I went between layers, sometime encountering an unexpected very cold layer that the topography and currents pushed up ino the shallows.

I could handle cold, but my body needed some lag time to respond to it -- which a layer of water trapped on all part of my body provided. My final configuration was a 2.5mm full suit with booties and gloves, and a 4mm vest, hood, and full mask with silicone covering most of my face.

But there are personal tolerance limits. I could go into the water pre-ice during early October (because bats trying to fatten up before winter hibernation are AWESOME as they buzz by you collecting insects at the water's surface at night) but once there was ice on the surface I had maybe, a minute max, before I started getting leg cramps. Even after repeated ventures in, I had reached a personal limit of cold. (I will never become a polar bear swimmer, I guess.) During late fall/early spring, those ice water temperatures could be just below the surface, and I simply didn't cross the temperature boundary, even if it meant a day of surface play instead of diving.

So in my case, I found a way to limit the effect of the temperature shock by making it more gradual. But, there was definitely a limit for me. And I like respecting that limit because I think it's one of those ones where I'd die if I crossed it.
 
Yeah thats what i was thinking. I just need a more gradual adjustment to the cooler temp. A hooded suit sounds like it should solve my problem.
 
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