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trygons new fluid goggles and noseclip

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Anybody seen this already, or tried it? --- except Herbert, of course
 
Well, I saw them on their website - they look fine. Eric spoke about the nose-clip very enthusiastically here on DB. I heard from another source that the nose-clip is indeed nice, but rather heavy and since the pads are smaller, it may hurt.
 
Sure the prices are there - as Joe tells, the goggles are 78€ (+20€ if you want them to glue the lenses on them) and the nose clip is 55€
 
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It looks like a nice design, I like the bigger goggle protecting me from the cold. I have just mailed them sharing my views, comments and questions. I'll post their reply when I get it.

These are the questions I've mailed:

1) What is the goggle lens distance to the eye in this design?

2) What is the diameter of the lenses provided?

3) Does the goggles seal well? even with water in it being above water?

4) Does "the strap" - cord not slip of the hood?

My plan is to mount the lenses on the inside providing:

- Total vision under and above water.
- Bigger field of vision and consequently a much more immersive dive experience (wouldn't we all like to see unhindered undistorted - without tunnel vision?)
- No scratches on the lenses (lenses are inside).

I also hinted them to have a special "Herbert-pack" discount combination, including their new noseclip and the fluid goggles.

We'll see what they answer.

Great thread!

Kars
 
Yep Polish Power I yesterday got the following answer:

"Hi Kars,
thanks for contacting. I did also come across your questions inside the forum, then I saw your letter.
Thanks for all the ideas, its the way we make our products: gathering requests and ideas from experts around the world!
so:
The distance of the mask from the eye is minimal, about 3-4mm, depends more from the actual face shape. Mounting the lens inside is impossible because it will be on the eye! Also, scratches on the mask will have the same bad result as scratching the lens, But the lens is polycarbonate, and in most cases can be polished.
The diameter is 18mm, and there is a cut at the upper and lower side of the lens. Thats a Nitsch idea, as he looks below the lens when he is on surface.
the mask is open- no sealing, and floods. We never liked much the sealed masks as there isn't good feeling of the thermoclines. Sealing this mask wont be very hard, but must be customized onto the end user. We have minimized the shape for hydrodynamic reasons, adding a thick flange will be a problem to that. I think that you are right about the cold water, it needs a sealed mask. I see what requests we get on that!
About the strap, it doesn't slip , nobody had this problem until now. Still, Herbert, did change the strap with pool goggles straps. They are more comfortable and hydrodynamic, but not that safe.

Hope my answers helped, feel free for anymore comments. Your questions are advanced so only me can answer. So, please excuse Trygons if the answer comes with a big delay. Sometimes its getting extremely buzy here, or I might be on a sea mission..."

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Yep Polish Power I yesterday got the following answer:

"Hi Kars,
thanks for contacting. I did also come across your questions inside the forum, then I saw your letter.
Thanks for all the ideas, its the way we make our products: gathering requests and ideas from experts around the world!
so:

1) The distance of the mask from the eye is minimal, about 3-4mm, depends more from the actual face shape. Mounting the lens inside is impossible because it will be on the eye! Also, scratches on the mask will have the same bad result as scratching the lens, But the lens is polycarbonate, and in most cases can be polished.

2) The diameter is 18mm, and there is a cut at the upper and lower side of the lens. Thats a Nitsch idea, as he looks below the lens when he is on surface.
3) The mask is open- no sealing, and floods. We never liked much the sealed masks as there isn't good feeling of the thermoclines. Sealing this mask wont be very hard, but must be customized onto the end user. We have minimized the shape for hydrodynamic reasons, adding a thick flange will be a problem to that. I think that you are right about the cold water, it needs a sealed mask. I see what requests we get on that!

4) About the strap, it doesn't slip , nobody had this problem until now. Still, Herbert, did change the strap with pool goggles straps. They are more comfortable and hydrodynamic, but not that safe.

Hope my answers helped, feel free for anymore comments. Your questions are advanced so only me can answer. So, please excuse Trygons if the answer comes with a big delay. Sometimes its getting extremely buzy here, or I might be on a sea mission..."

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Herbert has always used a no-seal version. The lenses just float in front of his eyes. I asked Alex for the "Herbert Combo" price too (cheeky as I am) and he replied they were already too cheap!! (I actually think the price is reasonable for this high level of engineering)
 
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Kars said:
Yep Polish Power I yesterday got the following answer:

We never liked much the sealed masks as there isn't good feeling of the thermoclines. Sealing this mask wont be very hard, but must be customized onto the end user.

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the mask is open- no sealing: It can be used in salt water (a lake) or it is too painful?
 
ginooo said:
the mask is open- no sealing: It can be used in salt water (a lake) or it is too painful?
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guess you were asking for FRESH water...

i don't think it might be too painful for the fact of having fresh water on the eye rather than getting all the lake-cold water on it!!
in nerthern Italy lakes temperature falls to 3-4° @ 20-30m any time of year, being from 3-4° in winter to 22-26° during summer @ surface
 

(Io penso all'acqua dolce.
Se non si mette acqua fisiologica nell'occhialino, ma entra l'acqua del lago, questa dovrebbe bruciare gli occhi)
I think the fresh water.
If you do not put saline water in the goggles, but enters the lake's water, they should burn your eyes.
 
Off cause I've mailed back with some follow up questions:

Thank you Alexander Sarasitis very much for your specific answers!

The 3-4mm appears nice and close to the eye ball.

5) How thick is the lens actually?

6) My main concern is the Field Of Vision angle, FOV, horizontal and vertical, did you guys did any in water test with your current design? What are the clear Field Of Vision angles you have measured?

7) The Herbert cut off lenses is a nice solution for the exterior lens unsealed mask design.
If you consider the total vertical FOV a 100%( 140 degree angle?), what is percentage and angle of the cut off parts?

(For instance 30% 42 deg.- 40% 56 deg (UW vertical FOV) - 30% 42 deg.)*

8) I think that a photoshopped wide angle fish-eye lens photo, comparing the FOV vision of the following situations is a very helpful selling tool for your fluid goggle solution.

In the same photograph I would love compared the following field of vision situations:

- Maximum FOV (160 degrees) - mirroring the human above water FOV.(Maybe opt to choose the maximum FOV under water instead?)
- Under water Technisub Micromask FOV
- Herbert Goggles FOV. (including the cut off lens vision and the thickness of the blurry edge, see attachment)

9) In case the FOV UW isn't that big, a bigger 22mm lens may help, did you test the same goggles with 22mm lenses? What was this config's FOV?

Sealing the mask.

10) Have you got any cheap and simple technique to make the mask seal?

- I'm thinking of a thin 1 or 2mm opencell neoprene 5mm wide strip following the goggles' contours to be glued inside, this would increase the eye to lens distance, and maybe this allow for a fitting of the lens inside too * ) It does not need to be much sealing, but enough to retain the warm (surface) water inside when falling through the termoclines into the cold abyss.

* I'm now thinking there could be a 'cold-water-seal' version of the same mask, with say a 2, 3 or 4 mm open cell neoprene seal, allowing for a water and free 'floating' lens inside. The thickness of the seal could help to provide the room for inside mounting of the lens.


Thanks again for your excellent practical, insightful replies. It's a blessing to read your fine English.

 
BTW my eyes can handle contact with sweet and salt water. In Spain I noticed that when salt water got into my mask it was very painful and stinging, but when I tried out nose clip only diving the initial pain went away very quick and completely. It became actually comfortable to me!

In the chlorinated pool I can handle the water in my eyes for about 15 minutes before it becomes irritating.

For the FOV comparison purposes, has anyone a nice 160º FOV underwater photo?
 
trux said:
Well, I saw them on their website - they look fine. Eric spoke about the nose-clip very enthusiastically here on DB. I heard from another source that the nose-clip is indeed nice, but rather heavy and since the pads are smaller, it may hurt.
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I have the nose-clip in hand and it is a well-engineered piece of equipment.

I would not describe it as heavy - I would describe it as sturdy. It is definitely not flimsy - and perhaps a bit larger than other clips.

I have a small round perfect button nose rofl but seriously - my nose is a bit less pronounced - more round than pointy or sticking out and it feels comfortable and snug when it is on - it does not hurt at all.

I would imagine that if you have a pointier or more pronounced nose it would fit even better - the design seems to lend itself to noses that are not flatter ( so to speak).

cheers,

kp
 
I received my Trygons noseclip and fluid goggles yesterday.

The noseclips are very nice! The red one is a bit more pink than I expected, though I guess you can still call it red(-ish). The aluminium version looks and feels excellent! I agree that it's not heavy. It's just high quality. The padding is made of leather and my nose did not like it when I put on the noseclip for 5 minutes straight. The 'craters' in my nose needed more than a few minutes to disappear. I replaced the leather with 1.5mm neoprene and it already feels a lot better now. The funny thing is that when you put on the noseclip you know it is very strong and will not come of but after a few seconds I did not notice it's there anymore. All other noseclips I owned I would remove by placing my entire hand over the thing and slide it down. That is not something you want to try with Trygon's noseclips (safeties be aware of this!). You will hurt yourself (or you buddy)! The noseclip comes with a paper explaining that you slightly have to pull where the right part slides over the bar (if it makes sense explained like this?)

I love the noseclip!

I tried the fluid goggle in the bathtub and my eyes could not focus properly. This was a first impression and tomorrow after an outdoor session I will give it some more time. The material was harder then expected, the fit seems fine for the shape of my head. Because it is not intended to keep the water in the goggle-sockets I think that it is best in warmer water. My eyelashes practically touched where the lenses are glued on, it is that close to the eye! From what I could tell the angle of view is very big.

Eric
 
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@Kars: Did you find out the FL (focal length) for the lenses used? I noticed that the polycarbonate lenses look a bit cloudy and thick.
 
I have a question on the googles. Does it not effect the eyes in some negative way to have them in contact with new water all the time and really cold like almost 4 degrees?
 
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