Trygons

[spearoskiboy]

Has anyone seen these guns before?,

my buddy found the website in a Cretian spearfishing magazine.

anyone had any exprience with them or heard anything about them?

very pricey...but an engineering masterpiece in carbon fibre !!! yum :inlove


http://www.trygons.com/spearguns.html

 

[1 shot 1 kill]

I’ve never heard of them but they are a stunning piece of engineering design, simply awesome, just hope they’re as well manufactured!
However, I can’t help but think they might be a bit over the top for this country (UK), for the same money maybe a pair of more conventional guns (Cressi, Picasso, etc.) and some other bits might be a better investment… (or a pair of these if you’re not as under the thumb as me!)
Anyone know anything about them?

 

[panosb]

I have seen them in an exhibition in athens 2 months ago and they are quite impressive!!! However, even for greece are very speciallized guns. And for the money you can get C4's falcon!!!!! I think they are very bulky and very complicated. i believe that equipment must be as simple as possible!!!

Panos.

 

[sickbugs]

expensive yes, but if it is good quality, and you can afford it, why not go for it? a 140 enclosed track with 3 bands rigged breakaway might be just the thing for wahoo

 

[Murat]

I contacted with them few weeks ago, they have some unique features and custom made options for every need. Biggest innvation is they have water compartment, so while its submerged in water, the weight of water ballance it automatically, so they calimed that their guns shoot as stable as wood guns. I did not see enclosed track handmade carbonfiber gun except those ones, they also claim fish will not scare away from the clicking sound that comes from trigger mech due to plastic joints, which i think total marketing trick since we already know that pressure waves in water travels much faster in water that sound waves, overall seems very good gun but this marketing gimmick about trigger mech sound makes me think about company's reliability.

 

[panosb]

There is another greek manufacturer that produces handmade carbon guns. The company's name is BLEU. They are situated in Athens and they have a dealer in Cyprus too. Check them out. They are a lot better than trygons.

 

[Murat]

yes i am aware of BLEU but what makes them much better than trygon? Both BLEU and Trygon does not have English website which provides enough information so i can not have detailed information about guns.

By the way i will be very glad if you can tell me where is the Cyprus dealer of BLEU is located, i really want to see those guns by myself.

 

[Marwan]

how do you think this would compafe t the c4 monoscoccia or the seatec gabbiano. personally i havent tried any of the 3 but am considering to buy a 110 cm gun carbin fiber elliptical barrel for easy side tracking, so would like to know how these 3 would compare

 

[miles]

Hiya

No offence to any of them, they BOTH look STUNNING!!!! But, WHY use carbon fibre for a multiple band gun? (specifically refering to guns with more than 2 bands)

The moment you go to 3 or more bands, recoil starts becoming an issue. The way to combat recoil is to add mass/weight. So, the lightness or lack of weight, that carbon fibre is so well known for is actually a dis-advantage. So, the guns would probably be quite heavy to combat the recoil. Other than looking simply STUNNING, what other advantages would these guns have over a similar sized and powered wooden gun??

Just curious.......

Regards
miles

 

[Fondueset]

I think the idea is that having water ballast helps with the recoil. It would be interesting to see how it actually works.

 

[panosb]

Hi Murat,

The cypriot dealer of BLEU is : TSIRPONOURIS MICHALIS Address: GRIVA DIGENH 110 Tel: 00357 25587277 e-MAIL: BLUETHUNDER@CYTANET.CO.CY.

I believe that BLEU guns are better because they are a lot simplier compared to trygons. As I have previously said, i believe the simplier the equipment, the better.
I have been at the BLEU store last week, as i was looking to buy an 110cm gun ( I bought the C4 FALCON finally) and among others I loved the fact that they guys said they could make the handle of the gun exactly fitted to my hand! ( they have you grab some plasteline to take the shape and size of your palm and they make the handle based on that) I find the latter a much more important feature for stability and accuracy than the water compartment of the trygon gun!!!

MArwan, About the comparison on BLEU guns, C4 and seatec gabbiano, about the seatec gun, i have heard that quite a few handles(the plastic part) broke after being loaded with very powerful bands and i find them technologically obsolete (if am not mistaken they have ergal barrels coated with polyurethane foam). The other two guns are both exceptional but with very different use. The BLEU guns are more heavy duty (and expensive) and usually built to order to suit all needs, The c4 gun is a more commercialized gun and for more general use. I preferred the c4 gun because I needed a lighter gun, (bleu are more bulky) with only a pair of 20mm bands and 6.5mm shaft for snappers and other smaller fish that are not coming very close. I really like doing distant shoots. With that set up i can shoot amazingly well at 6.5 to 7m.

which gun is better depends on how you intend to use it.

 

[spaghetti]

hmmm, panosb, Seatec Gabbiano is a serious weapon: maybe the plastic loading pad is the weak point of the project, but I wouldn't say this gun's obsolete.
The reason why they made it that way and not in carbon, is just because a carbon barrel wouldn't fit with Gabbiano's alluminium handle, due to galvanic currents which would oxydate the allu parts. An "accident" like this happened to the OMER Alluminum: a disaster. I had one, then had to throw it away because of the damage from galvanic currents.
---But, talking about obsolete and non obsolete, a question to all the guys: what's in your opinion the most innovative prject for a speargun of the last years (say...five years?)?

 

[Marwan]

not sure if it was 5 years or more, but i would say the rabitech apex, having a carbonfiber barrel with ss rings, not to mention the delta spearhead, mutliple bands and metal trigger, i have a 120 apex, a true killer

 

[miles]

Mamba kit on the pneumatic guns!!!

 

[Dobs]

I second Miles' oppinion on this one.

 

[Memo]

have you tried them at the end?

Mamba kit on the pneumatic guns!!!

 

[foxfish]

Yes I also agree with Miles, my mamba has changed my whole outlook towards spear guns.
However I think & feel there is more to come in the next five years.
In the land based world of air guns it would appear to me at least, that their technology far out seeds our under water guns. For instance Theoben air guns have replaced the compressed air with a type of gas that offers easier loading & a far faster lock up time. Land based air guns also have far superior trigger units, plenty of adjustments & feel. I would like to see a underwater air gun (or compressed gas gun) with a small diameter barrel mounted on top of the reservoir, a fully adjustable trigger & a system that avoids the need to captivate several loops of line every time you load.
My brother is threatening to build such a weapon & he is capable but I think he has his eye on my 110 air gun as a prototype:head

 

[Magpie]

Hello mate, been tempted into this discussion by your mention of theobens!

The gasrams they use are no easier to load. You have to use the same pressure as for a spring powered rifle as the pressure you put in is the pressure you get out. They are supposed to have a faster locktime, thats mainly due to a shorter piston stroke than springs.

I may well have this wrong but I believed pneuno spearing guns used air pressure behind the piston to power the spear? (Hence pumping into the rear of the gun increases the pressure/power). Airguns of course work by creating pressure infront of the piston once the potential energy of the sping/ram is released (ignoring pneumatic air-rifles, I'll come onto them). Which creates the most power? I don't know, though I can't imagine it would be possible to cock a full power air rifle spring with a straight pull as you do with spearing airguns....

I would love to know the power generated by a normal euro or pneumo speargun, does anyone know? I could work it out if anyone knows the velocity of the spear at the moment it leaves the gun (in air not water).

Now fully pneumatic guns, running from a compressed aircylinder which is part of the gun...I am amazed that such things are not already common! They can generate massive amounts of power, some big bore air rifles run at powers in excess of 500ft lbs, which is well into firearms territory (the legal UK limit for an air rifle without a firearms certificate is 12ft lbs). So compressed air could easily generate the power needed for spearing. My weihrach HW100 gets about 80 shots at full power per fill of gas, and that has tank no wider than a euro gun barrel and only 40cm long, so it should be possible to get plenty of shots from a speargun before it required filling.

So as Foxfish says a compressed air tank under a narrow spear barrel would surely produce a highly manouverable, powerful, VERY easy to load (no stretching of bands or straining to push in a piston as the power is already contained in the compressed air tank), and super SAFE speargun.

Anyway, thats my two pence for now! Best shut up before I'm writing all night!

 

[foxfish]

Thanks for the explanation on how a air riffle works!
I was not suggesting to use a self contained power source, I dont think you can use any spear gun in a competition that has not been self powered.
I was suggesting a gun like the mamba but with a small diameter barrel mounted above the compressed air & piston chamber.

There was a gun in one of the James Bond films that used a aqualung to power a spear gun.

 

[Magpie]

I'm sure I didn't need to tell you mate, just trying to explain it for anyone not so au fait with them. If anyone is interested to learn more about how air rifles work this is an excellent link: http://www.arld1.com/ Doesn't have a precompressed air-rifle demo but they're similar to the multi-pump pneumatic.

Why do competitions state that you can't you pre-compressed airguns?

I think they would be so superior in use to the current type, and are there that many spearo comps these days? I know there are a few (UK and cr*pauland) but they don't seem to be as prevelent as they used to be.

If you wanted to stick to the "no pre-compression" you could create a multi-pump speargun using some kind of handle to create the neccessary pressure. I think cocking with the spear is a very odd design myself. Look at the multi-pump demo on the above link.

Just some ideas like