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vaporizing and freediving?

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Lil Dragonfly

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We all know that smoking and freediving do not mix. But is using a vaporizer bad for breathholding too?

(Before I get any anti-pot rants, I would like to point out that one can also vape legal plants: chamomile, aloe vera, mullein, etc.)
 
Lil
It may be worth me waiting to see what replies come in before i order one? Although i'm sure that giving up will far out way any issues with a vaporizer (e-cig)

Until then i'll spark another one up!
 
Bite ya,

I was not referring to the minature vaporizers known as e-cigs. I was referring to herbal vaporizers. (The big kind, most infamous for being used for pot.) But, if you want to bring up e-cigs in this thread, let's discuss that too :)

For you, you smoke. So switching from smoking to vaping would be a good move for you. (Vaping e-cigs causes 99% less lung damage than smoking regular cigs does.) Me, I have never smoked cigarettes, and always take off running every time I smell second-hand smoke in the slightest. I'm in a different boat.
 
Food for thought:

I was talking to someone on a chatroom. He asked me if I vaporized pot. I told him that I eat it. My good friend chimed in "she only eats it, she refuses to smoke or vape because she's a freediver and doesn't want to mess up her lungs". Then the guy said that no, vaping pot won't ruin your performance in any sports.

I told him that I had read on a forum that smoking causes severe lung damage and that vaporizing causes slight lung damage.

He told me that both pot smoke and pot vapor coat the lungs, blocking the absorption of oxygen. But the similarities end there. He said that when you smoke, the products of combustion stick to the lungs for over ten years. But when you vape, the film of vapor only damages the lungs for about 2 hours. His advice: do your vaping after freediving, not before.

Now, before anyone gets any ideas- What he said could have been true. It also could have been complete garbage. I have no clue which. (In my opinion, everything people tell me is false until I have done some more digging on it.) There's only one fact I know for sure: I really want to learn more about this.
 
...(Vaping e-cigs causes 99% less lung damage than smoking regular cigs does.) ...

[ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_cigarette]Electronic cigarette - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]
Health issues

The health effects of using electronic cigarettes are currently unknown. Several studies regarding the long-term health effects of inhaling nicotine vapor are currently in progress, though it will be many years before the results are known.

Please bear in mind this forum is used by youngsters. If you wish to discuss the details of using illegal substances please feel free to do that on some other forum.
 
Electronic cigarette - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Please bear in mind this forum is used by youngsters. If you wish to discuss the details of using illegal substances please feel free to do that on some other forum.

First of all, electronic cigarettes are not illegal.

Secondly, the stuff you read on the net about the health effects of e-cigs being unknown is BULLSHIT. I suggest you do some research before spreading false information. CAASA would be a good place to start.

Keep in mind that many people have a reason to spread lies and hysteria about e-cigs. Big tobacco doesn't want people to quit smoking (for obvious reasons). And Big pharma wants people to buy their (highly ineffective) nicotine gum and patches instead of e-cigs.

When I get back I will dispel some common myths about e-cig safety.
 
I live on Maui and I'm surrounded by the stuff and lots of people do it. I personally can't due to paranoia, but seriously, I can't even see how a vapo could help you in any way with freediving. It must only hurt you. If you're looking for someone to give you an excuse to say it's OK, don't mean to patronize, but sorry, I can't help you there.

Alcohol on the other hand...
 
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I don't think he was referring to the e-cigs.
Oh ok.

As I already mentioned in the first post: yes, there are people who use herbal vaporizers for illegal purposes. But in terms of their many uses, that's just the tip of the iceberg.

If I find scientific evidence that vaping will not hurt my freediving, and start doing it, my plants of choice will be:

Mullein- Reduces inflammation in the lungs. (Inflamed lung tissue cannot absorb as much oxygen, this is why some freedivers go on anti-inflammatory diets.) I also read somewhere that it temporarily increases lung capacity.

Aloe vera- Vaping herbs in general creates a tingling feeling in the lungs. But aloe is the tingly-est of them all! Must be a highly erotic experience.

Green tea- In some of the population (including me) it is a powerful painkiller. I haven't done any freediving or breathhold training of any sort for months thanks to chronic pain. So something to solve this problem would greatly improve my quality of life. (And just drinking green tea isn't an option. It used to be that 4 glasses of it killed a splitting headache completely, but now that my delayed gastric emptying is back, nothing seems to stay down.)

Bark- creates nice thick vapor clouds.

I have no desire to try vaping pot. Why bother when there are zillions of herbs to experiment with that are much safer. (Pot itself is harmless, there’s no denying that, but thanks to the fact its illegal anything you buy will be contaminated with toxic non-food-grade pesticides/herbicides. I stopped eating it when I found out about this.)
 
I live on Maui and I'm surrounding by the stuff and lots of people do it. I personally can't due to paranoia, but seriously, I can't even see how a vapo could help you in any way with freediving. It must only hurt you. If you're looking for someone to give you an excuse to say it's OK, don't mean to patronize, but sorry, I can't help you there.

I'm looking for actual scientific evidence. Not just people's opinions/guesswork...
 
Lil, you have posted what is turning out to be a controversial question for some members.
I don't know anything about vaporizers or their use with herbal substances & I doubt many within our community can answer your questions to your satisfaction.

Just a reminder to anyone posting on this thread that deeper blue is a family friendly forum. Please keep everything civil & sensible.
 
I personally don't understand why asking for information about a way to use legal herbal remedies is so "controversial". But, if it is upsetting people, I won't talk about it any more.
 
Pot itself is harmless, there’s no denying that, but thanks to the fact its illegal anything you buy will be contaminated with toxic non-food-grade pesticides/herbicides. I stopped eating it when I found out about this.

This is quite simply not true. It is addictive, and can harm you. Additionally it is possible to purchase product that is not contaminated.

Posting incorrect information about an already sensitive subject on a family forum is probably why you are getting some negative comments.
 
This is quite simply not true. It is addictive, and can harm you. Additionally it is possible to purchase product that is not contaminated.

Posting incorrect information about an already sensitive subject on a family forum is probably why you are getting some negative comments.

Well regardless of the hows and whys of why pot is bad, I think it's safe to say that buying herbs from the vitamin store is a wiser option.

Although, as I understood it, it seems that foxfish doesn't want me to talk about legal herbs either...

(Which is just too bad for all you guys, because it means I can't tell you about my secret weapon for equalizing!)
 
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I doubt using a vaporiser will have much if any effect on breath holding, although it will depend on what is vaporised.

You might just have to try it and see.
 
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Well, I thought this thread was about inhaling substances from a vaporizer, not about cannabis. Of course vaporizers pose considerably less health risk than smoke, but then it depends what you vaporize and how often. Even relatively harmless herbs can have unexpected effect on the ventilation and cardiovascular functions, so if you push your breath-holds, your organism may react differently than normally, or the perceptions can be different, so you risk blacking out or harming yourself.

This is true for cannabis as well as practically for any other substance. The risk may be in some cases and to certain degree reduced by experience, but you have to keep on mind that you add another level of complexity to the already complicated physiology of freediving.

As for cannabis alone, we already discussed some of its effects for example in this thread: http://forums.deeperblue.com/beach-bar/69294-breath-holding-smoke.html I highly recommend reading it - there are some references that may interest those using it regularly, regardless in which way. However, as wrote earlier in this thread, the topic is somehow sensitive on this forum - not only it is designated to all age groups, but there are members from countries where any use of hemp is completely illegal, and in some countries even speaking about it publicly may cause troubles. Hence I suggest we let the discussion of pro's and con's of cannabis to other platforms than DB.

Now back to the topic of vaporizing - it seems to be indeed much more efficient and less harmful method of introducing substances into the organism than smoking. However it does not mean it is perfectly harmless and healthy. I would split the problematics into several subtopics:

1) Risks caused by the substance itself - you will need to make a closer study on the substance you vaporize. Since there are many of them, it not possible to tell in advance whether they are perfectly harmless for a freediver or not

2) Risks caused by byproducts, additives, preservatives, pesticides, and other substances, or particles that you inhale with the vapor. That greatly depends not only on the quality and purity of the vaporized product, but also on the vaporizer type and quality, and on the temperature used. It is true that at good quality vaporizers the content of tar will be greatly reduced, and also the content of other toxins may be lowered or even eliminated. So for example CO content is typically also much lower at vaporizers than at smoking, but still there is some, and since the CO is very critical at freediving, you will probably want to avoid it as much as you can. Also diverse resins present in most herbal products will do it through the vaporizer to your lungs, and hence regular and frequent use may pose a risk to the lungs. Then there may be other components that are chemically being broken down by the combustion when smoking, but will survive the process of vaporizing at lower temperatures. Most of this is quite little studied, and in comparison to smoking there is still quite little of statistical data, so you won't find much reliable information about it.

3) The temperature of the vapor - it is not only the tar that destroys the lungs of smokers. To big part the high temperature of the smoke is at the root of a lot of lung damage.

Quote from Understanding the harmful effects of smoking - by Sam Midling - Helium
Your lungs are not just open pouches of meat that fill with air like a balloon, they are actually made up of hundreds of thousands of tiny little tubes that branch off and get narrower every time, these tubes are called bronchial passageways. Your lungs use this structure in order to maximize the surface area of whatever you breathe in, usually air. Within these tiny little corridors there are millions of tiny little hairs called cilia, these perform a vital function. The cilia are tiny little cleaners, clearing any particulate that might accidentally enter the lungs, like when you venture out in a dust storm. Unfortunately when you smoke something the temperature of the smoke is so high when it enters your lungs that these cilia get fried and can no longer do their job, this leads to a buildup of gunk and all kinds of stuff that would ordinarily be cleaned out of the lungs (...)
With these cilia gone we see an increase in particulate buildup as well as a decrease in lung function and efficiency, this will ultimately make it much easier to get chronic bronchitis as well as increase your chance of getting pneumonia
Again, from this point of view, vaporizing is less harmful than smoking, but it does not mean it is safe. Setting your vaporizer to lower temperatures may help reducing the damage, but may induce other problems - for example the previously reduced effect of eliminating some toxins by combustion. Lower vaporizing temperatures might perhaps also lead to increased bacteria build-up. At some vaporizers, for example at those combined with water filters, mold may build up too and enter your lungs. Hence careful and regular cleaning/disinfecting the vaporizer and early replacement of filters, is likely a good idea.

4) Then there is the problem of the quality of the vapor mixture you inhale - despite good filters, there are always some particles, and at many vaporizers the air is also quite dry - meaning if your lungs are already sensitive, they may get irritated easily. This is possibly one of the reasons many people with chronic respiratory problems who switched from smoking to vaporizers, continue having problems when vaping, too.

Well, in conclusion I'd tell that if you really feel the need to inhale some substances, the vaping is likely much gentler way than smoking, but personally at people being maximally dependent on their lungs, like freedivers are, I'd expect they'll try to avoid as much risk as they can. Sure, we'd have to avoid also smog of the cars, boats, dust, etc. and still would have no warranty of perfect health, but perhaps increasing the risk when it is not really needed, is not necessary. However, that's up to every individual - most of us are adults and can decide for ourselves. Still, I'd tell that knowing about the potential hazards, and being able to evaluate them properly is important.
 
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smoke is so high when it enters your lungs that these cilia get fried and can no longer do their job

Do they ever regenerate over time? Couldn't find any real source on this matter. Some websites say they do while others say they don't.
 
I spoke to a friend from the e-cig forum. He explained it all to me, and answered all my questions.

There are 2 issues here: 1. resin/particulate matter and 2. the vapor itself.

With e-cigs, there is no resin, just clean vapor. So there is no long-term lung damage. (The lungs will be coated with a thin film of vapor for up to 2 hours afterwords, blocking O2 absorption. For this reason people are advised to do their vaping after exercising not before.)

With vaporized plant matter, the lung damage is permanent. All that resin that collects inside your vape between cleanings, also gets stuck in your lungs.

All the stuff I had read on the internet regarding lung damage from vaping was referring to vaporized plant matter not e-cigs, he says.

So no vaping plants for me. I'm going to get an e-cig though. (Vegetable glycerin only, no nicotine)

(Note: in individuals with dirty lungs, either from smoking or from heavy pollution, the lung cleansing benefits of vaping certain plants outweigh the damage. For those of you who used to smoke, I would recommend vaporizing mullein to help clean the gunk out. It will not be pleasant though, you will cough up a lot of black stuff.)
 
Bought some Mangstien but not for vaporzing, thanks for the tip, after 1 month for some odd reason my sinus blockage on the right side is almost gone. It may be due to others reasons, but I'm liking the taste of the juice.
Cheers, Don Paul
 
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