Anyone ever heard of these guns and the people who build them? http://spearco.netfirms.com/ There prices are great for high-end American style complete guns with shaft, bands, line, etc. included!
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West Coast Extreme spearguns?
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I'd be really concerned that the gun would be very tip heavy. With water in the barrel instead of air, what is going to keep it level?
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I was a little concerned that the muzzle end would be heavy too. But mahogany is more buoyant than teak so overall there should be enough floatation. I love his idea of using a strong tube with enclosed track running the whole distance and tying the bands to the tube end. I believe these features are features that many manufactures will be doing. I have made and installed a band like that on one of my MTs. You can get the band attachment higher (more inline with the shaft) and lower the front mass which lowers the water resistance in swinging.
In my opinion the old wrap around band at the muzzle is or should-be on its way out. It’s nice for people who buy their bands, but for those of us who make ours, it makes no sense to have the volume of a band wrapping around the muzzle. The smaller the volume at the front of the gun the better it will swing.
If I was to buy the gun and the muzzle end was too heavy, the first thing I would try is to cut and stick a piece of PVC close cell I have left over from a dive platform project in it.
That is concerning that the builder has not tried one himself. I saw the feedback someone left him on eBay who had purchased one of his wood guns and the person said it was the most accurate gun he had ever used. Also, said “great craftmanship/awesome custom speargun”.
don
In my opinion the old wrap around band at the muzzle is or should-be on its way out. It’s nice for people who buy their bands, but for those of us who make ours, it makes no sense to have the volume of a band wrapping around the muzzle. The smaller the volume at the front of the gun the better it will swing.
If I was to buy the gun and the muzzle end was too heavy, the first thing I would try is to cut and stick a piece of PVC close cell I have left over from a dive platform project in it.
That is concerning that the builder has not tried one himself. I saw the feedback someone left him on eBay who had purchased one of his wood guns and the person said it was the most accurate gun he had ever used. Also, said “great craftmanship/awesome custom speargun”.
don
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donmoore said:
Overall sufficient flotation doesn't keep you from getting a very tired wrist if the gun is tip heavy. I have used tip heavy guns, and they are a real pain in the ass. I prefer my guns to sink horizontally, or just a bit tip-down, when turned loose.
donmoore said:
There are two concerns I have about muzzles like that. One is that you can't easily remove the bands and put them in a ziplock in the fridge to extend life. And while the gun "may" swing a bit more easily in the horizontal plane, what about the vertical plane? Its got that paddle sticking out.
I've seen enough disagreement over guns to take comments like that from one person with a grain of salt. I've also seen people who were enthusiastic over a gun that I used to own and sold because I didn't like it.
Maybe all the guy had used before was a JBL.
Bill,
I totally agree about a heavy muzzle gun. They’re a pain! That is the reason I don’t like Riffe’s aluminum muzzle accessory for their MT’s. If something happens that makes you hold the gun out for a moment (not shoot it right when you extend it) its hard on the wrists and terrible on your aim.
I have never owned a gun yet I didn’t modify and I think my foam in the end of the tube would do it, but it does seem like an elementary flaw that the manufacture should resolve before selling it to the public. But then again, I heard JBL recommends you use nylon ties to keep the bands from falling off their muzzles!
“vertical plane” swinging. His hybrid doesn’t have the metal muzzle wings the bands attach to. Instead the bands attach to holes in the tube. It’s just the wood guns, and I agree I don’t really like that idea, because of the vertical swinging. The wing design muzzle that Bill Kitto originated serves two purposes. One purpose is a band mount and second is a front wing to help keep the front of gun from rising on the recoil. I think Darrell Wong showed that with proper balance and ballast in the stock, you could get away from front wings and still use enough bands to penetrate a big fish.
I agree that it’s harder to take the bands off, but your going to have to make and tie your own anyway for a gun like this (unless you want to ship the gun to them every other year!) so for me its no big deal. Rubber tubing in bulk runs right over $1.00 per foot for 9/16”. The purpose of the fridge is to keep the air off the rubber as much as possible. I vacuum pack my unused bulk tubing and keep the used one on the guns for two seasons, storing the guns inside the house.
don
I totally agree about a heavy muzzle gun. They’re a pain! That is the reason I don’t like Riffe’s aluminum muzzle accessory for their MT’s. If something happens that makes you hold the gun out for a moment (not shoot it right when you extend it) its hard on the wrists and terrible on your aim.
I have never owned a gun yet I didn’t modify and I think my foam in the end of the tube would do it, but it does seem like an elementary flaw that the manufacture should resolve before selling it to the public. But then again, I heard JBL recommends you use nylon ties to keep the bands from falling off their muzzles!
“vertical plane” swinging. His hybrid doesn’t have the metal muzzle wings the bands attach to. Instead the bands attach to holes in the tube. It’s just the wood guns, and I agree I don’t really like that idea, because of the vertical swinging. The wing design muzzle that Bill Kitto originated serves two purposes. One purpose is a band mount and second is a front wing to help keep the front of gun from rising on the recoil. I think Darrell Wong showed that with proper balance and ballast in the stock, you could get away from front wings and still use enough bands to penetrate a big fish.
I agree that it’s harder to take the bands off, but your going to have to make and tie your own anyway for a gun like this (unless you want to ship the gun to them every other year!) so for me its no big deal. Rubber tubing in bulk runs right over $1.00 per foot for 9/16”. The purpose of the fridge is to keep the air off the rubber as much as possible. I vacuum pack my unused bulk tubing and keep the used one on the guns for two seasons, storing the guns inside the house.
don