Whats the average minute volume.

[Hydro-Mike]

I ask this so that I can gauge my breathup, based on breaths per minute, I have began taking very so deep breaths during breath up about 3 per minute, for 2 minutes and then hold. so about 6 breaths total iI figure this this comes close to matching my resting minute volume without going near hyperventilation. thoughs anybody. I may be heading in the wrong direction.
Another exercise I'm doing is when watching TV (resting) with no breathup just when it strikes me I will take 3 purge breaths and hold, usually can go about 2:30 to 2:45, anybody do anything like this or care to comment.

 

[Erik]

I'd suggest you be mindful (pay attention) to your breathing but not attempt to control it. Your body is the best regulator of how much air you need. As soon as you start altering that you could say you are probably hyperventilating and possibly hypoventilating. Either way you're off track.

Relax and breath for a few minutes, hold for max attempt. Breath for double the last hold length ie: 2-minute hold, so breath for 4 minutes. Do this for 4 holds and you might surprise yourself! This is a good basic pattern to dry-train.

Cheers,
Erik

 

[toku58]

I'd suggest you be mindful (pay attention) to your breathing but not attempt to control it. Your body is the best regulator of how much air you need. As soon as you start altering that you could say you are probably hyperventilating and possibly hypoventilating. Either way you're off track.

Relax and breath for a few minutes, hold for max attempt. Breath for double the last hold length ie: 2-minute hold, so breath for 4 minutes. Do this for 4 holds and you might surprise yourself! This is a good basic pattern to dry-train.

Cheers,
Erik

By breath normally? Since I'm normally a shallow breather, (sometimes I think I actually don't breath for a few seconds)
is that what I should go with? Or a few seconds before each attempt, I should empty my lungs and take a few deep breaths?

 

[trux]

The low average respiratory rate (for relaxed state) is 12 flat respirations (roughly 0.5 liter each) per minute. That makes for the total of 6 liters/min. If you take 3 big breaths per minute, let's say each of 4 liters (it is individual and it may be easily much more), you ventilate 12 liters per minute, which is twice as much as you need, hence hyperventilation. ~6 liters over normal, in this case.

When you you breathe flatly (normally), but add three purges before the breath-hold, it depends how much you inhale between the purges, but with these 3 purges you will certainly exchange more than 2 liters of air at each of them, and more likely almost the full vital capacity of your lungs (let's say again the average 4 liters, but it may be much more). So these three purges (let's say 12 liters) are in fact extra unnecessary hyperventilation. ~12 liters over normal.

These are very approximate estimations, the real values may differ strongly at each individual. It also does not take take in account the inlfulence of the dead space - due to it, any deep ventilation is in fact removing much more CO2 than shallow ventilation, so the hyperventilation would be more strong than written. See some more details about it written by Dr. Johan Andersson in the following thread: http://forums.deeperblue.com/beginn...reathing-up-technique-diving-environment.html

 

[cdavis]

Tricky question.

Respiration rates vary all over the place, often for good reason. Still, your breathup is almost certainly way into hyperventilation territory and you should reduce your ventilation rate. I'll try to provide some overview.

Nearly all divers hyperventilate some; most aren't aware they do. Trux's numerical example is great for demonstrating how easy it is to HV. For beginners and a lot of intermediate divers, if they did not hyperventilate some, they would have to be satisfied with short and often uncomfortable dives. The trick is "how much."
Too much can get you in bad trouble and nobody knows how much is too much for you. Hence, less is always better for safety. The odd thing is, once you start to get serious about technique, less or no hyperventilation starts to yield better, longer, more comfortable dives (in some situations).

Something else, your resting respiration rate in cold, rough, currenty water is considerably higher than sitting on the couch. Trying to limit your breathing to the couch rate when diving adverse conditions won't work very well.

Now, none of this is very helpful to you today, right now. Sorry, welcome to the real world. There is no substitute for experimenting with your body, your technique, your conditions.

Trying to be more practical, if it was me, I'd get away from your long deep breathing. Try breathing normally for the conditions, ie, forget about your breathing and let your subconscious handle it. Just before you dive, add three fast deep purge breaths. Experiment with this, try various combinations of purge # and depth, always with the goal of reducing HV to zero. At first, this might reduce your dive time, but practice brings it back.

Good luck with it

Connor

 

[Hydro-Mike]

Thanks for the great advise, I will quit overthinking and let my body guide me. This forum is great. No HV

 

[toku58]

Tricky question.

Respiration rates vary all over the place, often for good reason. Still, your breathup is almost certainly way into hyperventilation territory and you should reduce your ventilation rate. I'll try to provide some overview.

Nearly all divers hyperventilate some; most aren't aware they do. Trux's numerical example is great for demonstrating how easy it is to HV. For beginners and a lot of intermediate divers, if they did not hyperventilate some, they would have to be satisfied with short and often uncomfortable dives. The trick is "how much."
Too much can get you in bad trouble and nobody knows how much is too much for you. Hence, less is always better for safety. The odd thing is, once you start to get serious about technique, less or no hyperventilation starts to yield better, longer, more comfortable dives (in some situations).

Something else, your resting respiration rate in cold, rough, currenty water is considerably higher than sitting on the couch. Trying to limit your breathing to the couch rate when diving adverse conditions won't work very well.

Now, none of this is very helpful to you today, right now. Sorry, welcome to the real world. There is no substitute for experimenting with your body, your technique, your conditions.

Trying to be more practical, if it was me, I'd get away from your long deep breathing. Try breathing normally for the conditions, ie, forget about your breathing and let your subconscious handle it. Just before you dive, add three fast deep purge breaths. Experiment with this, try various combinations of purge # and depth, always with the goal of reducing HV to zero. At first, this might reduce your dive time, but practice brings it back.

Good luck with it

Connor

Wow? Thanks that makes things a bit clearer!
I try and make it a point NOT to HV when I reach my limit and start to breath again. I try to breath normally to recover, with occasional deep breaths as needed.
I'm still really new to to sport.
I practice or train with the "Ultrabreathe" daily. It's been about 2 weeks so I guess I can't expect too much.
I'll keep trying and hopefully I will see improvment.

 

[Hydro-Mike]

Thanks for the advise new PR 3:48 didn't even realize I was that far out glanced down at watch at 3:05. I think I'm on the right track now would like to try some wet ones now and see what kind of reflex I experience