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Advantages of FRC diving?

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one more question...
I was pretty sure I saw something about Eric Fattah's FRC diving experiences involving little or no contractions. Am I off track? Thats kinda what i'm going for although i understand the training would be more vigorous? I think what personal goal would be to do 3:00 with no contractions. I was 2:30 with none at one point doing breath-ups..so should I just go back to that kind of training, or is there some light at the end of the tunner for FRC? It probably sounds like im pushing it, but i'm just trying to understand it better. Also, don't get me wrong, I still like doing it in water, I love swimming and get much joy out of the freediving experience, just not much for depth; comfort-wise. The movie the abyss kinda ruined it for me!
-Brian
 
A bowl of cold water with just your face in will do Brian. It's the temperture difference of your bodytemperture and the water that helps to generate a powerfull diving response. The receptors are all over our faces.

On your back condition, it sounds really mysterous. I must confess that I couldn't really understand from your initial posts what your goal and motivation is. Being weary of those young -I want quick tricks- for big results now, I started to develop a suspicion.

I guess you've tried many ways of elevating those pains. Stories like these make me feel very fortunate there is not much wrong with me yet, knokking on wood.
Appart from having a distractions, have you tried (self) hypnosis for relaxation?
There are some yogi techniques to stretch the diafragm, have you tried any?
I've also heart of yogi exersizes in short breathing, meaning they try to have as little ventilation as possible not moving a leaf of paper hanging just before their nose and mouth. Breathing shallow trough the nose laying in water helps me to relax me and preapair for that 1 big static I do without any breathholding in my preperation.

Warm water also helps to prevent contracions, 34 c I like.
Also a flexible diafragm allows easyer contractions.

If you got a knowledgeble and capeble buddy for safety you can try some diafragm stretches in warm water by doing frc and emptier dives to the pool bottom.

I find doing such dives to 5m (~16ft) with a divetime of 1'45" invokes a great DR, bloodshift, and makes me feel very relaxed, though also a bit tired in an energetic way. Usually I wear a suit fins and noseclip, to keep my muscles warm and flexible and to expose my face to the 26c water. with a gradual diminishing amounts of air I go down slow, eyes closed, sit at the bottem for 30s and very slowly fin up. Upon surfacing I breath in slowly, in parts, as I want to allow my lungs to shrink and expand gradually.
This exersize puts pressure on ribcage, diafragm, heart, throught, so maybe not your thing.

Love, courage and water!

Kars
 
Well, it is always better telling what exactly you are looking for. That's why Laminar asked all those details. Your answers were quite confusing, and therefore it took a while before we could advise better.

In medical experiments, diving reflex is often triggered by a simulated face immersion - i.e. wet cold cloth (may contain a bag of ice). Using a bowl with cold water is a possibility too, but you lose the main advantage - the relative safety of dry apnea. For that reason, you should also use the wet cloth in such way that it does not inhibit breathing in case you black out. The area around eyes is allegedly the most important for the diving reflex. You do not need to cover your nose and mouth (or let an opening for them).

Blackout alone is not too bad if it happens during dry training. Although there are certain risks at dry apnea too, the likelihood of a fatal accident during wet apnea is much higher than when training dry. For limiting the risks, you should train dry in a safe position to avoid injury in case of BO or loss of motor control, and to minimize the possibility of choking with your own tongue. There is also certain chance of heart arrest at really bad blackouts, but I think such cases are very rare. AFAIK, only cases of heart arrest during sleep apnea are known, and those people usually already had some serious cardiac problems anyway. Having someone close to survey you, or check you out regularly during the training is not a bad idea though, if you want to push really hard while minimizing the risks.
 
Excellent suggestions everyone.

I think holding your breath and breathing in a controlled way can perhaps help your condition and bring you relaxation of the mind as well, which in turn can bring further relaxation.

Yoga (gentle and pranayama), QiGong, T'ai Ch'i and similar arts are obvious choices not to be overlooked.

I wonder if an inversion table might help (ie. spending several minutes inverted and relaxed allowing your spine to stretch out fully). Efattah has experience with inversion tables. Maybe others here do, too.

If relaxation, a sense of calm, and exercise/stretching/blood flow to your diaphragm and chest and back muscles are the primary goal of your practice, I would definitely recommend variations on lung volume as you hold the breath.

I'm not a huge fan of big inhalations with stretching or pack-stretching.

To "engage" your diaphragm, it helps to control it. Control the rate of inhalation and exhalation through the nose. Try a loud breath. Try a completely silent and noiseless breath. Your diaphragm will be required to do different things. Most of all if you practice this you'll better gain control of your diaphragm, which is very helpful for relaxing for longer during a breath hold and for health. This comes from pranayama variations.

Breathe through your nose in daily life as much as possible.

Holding your breath with a full inhale is not necessarily comfortable or relaxing. While you may feel better afterwards from the outward stretch, you could also benefit from the gentle inward stretch of a low volume hold. Tread cautiously with negative pressure breath holds and reverse packing (might hurt you?).

Most of all, if you view the act of holding your breath as a skill and not some innate ability, you will be able to improve the duration and the feeling you have when you are holding your breath. Whether you do it dry or in the pool (with a spotter standing next to you so you can relax even more) or with a bowl of water, if you focus on the process, one thing to focus on at a time, your breath hold will improve. Tables for the sake of C02 tolerance are perhaps the wrong end to approach this from, since they require some suffering in the contractions zone to improve.

I think if your goal is a series of relaxing and relaxing holds, you could try something like this:

1. Find a relaxed posture (on your back, sitting up, floating in the water in a sitting/standing position, or face down with a snorkel).

2. Focus on your breathing:
-tidal breathing for 2-4 minutes (minimal effort)
-hold your breath instinctively at a comfortable lung volume until you want to breathe (don't look at a watch)
-deep breathing (ie. full range of motion 1-2 minutes)
-you may find a short 10 second hold after the inhale feels best with this breathing pattern, otherwise you might get lightheaded/hyperventilated
-hold your breath instinctively at a comfortable lung volume until you want to breathe (don't look at a watch)
-tidal breathing again (2-4 minutes effort)
-hold your breath instinctively at a comfortable lung volume until you want to breathe (don't look at a watch)

3. Focus on body relaxation (from head to toe):
-repeat the set

4. Focus on relaxing diaphragm as you prolong the breath holds close to the contractions break point:
-repeat the set

5. Focus on lung volume and its effect on your body (blood pressure, feeling in chest, comfort, tension in surrounding muscles, etc...)
-repeat the set (Day 1 FRC, Day 2 full inhale, Day3 lower than FRC, etc...)
-time the breath holds if you wish, but resist temptation to push.

As you practice this way, feel free to adjust and modify to suit whatever feels best. Focusing on process will extend your breath holds almost without you noticing, especially for shorter holds. You can also change the focus to include things like mental state, body temperature, time of day, post exercise, etc...

You could also do these as "dives" in the pool. Use an extra weight to hang on to on the bottom so that to ascend you simple release the weight and maybe a gentle kick to surface. That way you can vary the lung volume without adding more weight to your belt - which I imagine might tweak your back negatively.

Hope this helps!

Peter
 
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Wow, thanks so much you two for that advice, I think it's exactly what i needed to hear. I have tried hypnosis(i have a couple blogs about what i've done on here). It really helps me more with the heart rate as far as i can tell. I'm going to spend some time getting comfortable with each type of hold, like you said, to get used to the different changes. I'll also work with a cold towel if that is all it takes, i'm very much about safety so thanks!
It's gonna take me a while to be able to take a quick deep breath(like you said, an audible breath). My diapragm has been spasming for a few months now and is almost unbearable to sneeze, or take that deep breath, even yawning is tough. I'll start stretching easily and incorporate some different relaxation methods to help. Thanks again folks, I can't thank you enough.
-Brian
 
Brian,

I strongly suggest you find either a very very skilled yoga teacher - or an equally skilled adept in qigong/chinese medicine/taiji - either of these - if you can find someone very good, these practices can specifically and effectively target what you are dealing with. Meanwhile - I suggest - as you breathe - that first visualize or imagine - then feel the vertebra in your spine expand and contract - feel the spaces between them - try to soften areas of tension by feeling areas that are not tense - but near them - expand and gradually permeate the tense regions. Think of the breath as penetrating and saturating areas that are relatively opaque to sensation. Face down in a pool, breathing through a snorkel - is a great way to practice breathing with your spine.
 
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thanks! I've noticed just free floating in the pool that im in pain. My 27 year oldmuscles are so tense that i can't even relax gravity-free. It's gonna take some work. I appreciate the advice....
Hey, are you in michigan, I noticed a link....i'm from michigan, hope to go back soon to see family.
-Brian
 
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