Apnea Running?

[gmata]

Hi Im pretty new to freediving and at this moment i have no acces to the pool or the ocean, so i was doing some Dry Apnea Excercises.

I was doing Apnea Walking last night after returning from the gym and i discovered that after a few seconds of apnea walking a little bit before i can't hold my breath any longer i could start running for a few more hundred meters.

My question is, is it dangerous to do Apnea Running? or could it be better than Apnea Walking?

Thanks

 

[jimqpublic]

Is it dangerous if you fall down after passing out? Yes.

In my very, very limited experience the urge to run while doing the apnea walk is related to lack of C02 tolerance. Work on your CO2 tolerance through doing tables while safely seated on a sofa and then you apnea walks should be more fulfilling.

 

[gmata]

So Apnea Walking is better that apnea Running?

 

[Jorg]

...start running for a few more hundred meters.

Did you just say a FEW MORE HUNDRED METERS??? :t whoo haa... how long can you hold your breath while walking?

 

[gmata]

Sorry probably exaggerating a little bit i can walk for about 50-60 mts and then run for another 100-150 mts.

 

[Jorg]

what time are you when you start running and when you stop?

 

[demasoni]

Hey Gmata,

Just be careful when apnea running as I have BO'd and fell from apnea walking and hurt myself due to hitting the ground (grass). Not seriously, but enough to make me think twice. I could only imagine if I was running at speed and lights out...:crutch

 

[SnuFPunK]

I find running takes your mind off of the contractions, which is OK, but if you think about it, when you start running your just using up all your oxygen in a not very efficient manner and miss the entire CO2 buildup endurance thing (mentally that is).

Id just do tables in the comfort of my home, familiarizing myself with the uncomfortable (at first) feelings of hypercapnia and hypoxia (build up of CO2 levels and lack of 02).

Also, blacking out while your body is in high velocity might have a nasty result :crutch

My two cents.

~ Snuf.

 

[amihov]

Apnea walking better in to ways. First it is safer if you are about to black out the chance to hit the ground is much smaller. Second when you are walking you are much closer to a deep dive the energy you use per second it is similar to the energy you use when you are diving the hard beat is slower to .So it helps you feel the same way as diving . By walking i learned how to feel my body and i use this skill when i am diving and looking for fish or crab.

 

[gmata]

thanks for all the replys i'll take that into consideration i will try to just walk,

 

[ahofbauer]

Hi Gmata,

I had a BO while running in apnea and I can tell you for sure that it´s something you wont like, even if you live to tell it.
In my case a truck almost got me.
Since then, i´ve been working on the rowing machine (one of those equipped with a beautiful bucket seat) or on the static bike (a modern one, featuring a almost horizontal backrest).
Be careful, even a spinning bike is dangerous for unconcious people on their way down.

On the other hand, i know the feeling of revving the turbo when you´re running out of air. It´s like switching to reserve air and extra boost, all at the same time.
...and it takes you straight into BO, because your alarm signals are
already a thing of the past. There´s no second alarm.

take care of yourself

 

[Jorg]

Sometimes there is place for supervised jogging, not running, at the end of a drywalk, on the sand or at least away from the concrete and traffic. But that all depends on a personal approach to training.

 

[sanso]

So Apnea Walking is better that apnea Running?

I once had to provide first aid to a lady that had fainted while walking to the shop around the corner. (not apnea-related, but a BO while walking).
After seeing what the impact with the tarmack had done to her face, I feel that I wouldn't want to see what it would have done at increased speed.
Intuitively, I'd answer that question with a 'Yes'.

 

[Jon]

Someone mentioned in another thread here about hurting themselves by apena running that wouldn't have happend had they been walking. I guess that the full lungs and the constant jarring that comes with running, as oppossed to walking, was enough to hurt some ribs- or something along those lines.

That was reason enough for me to not try it. I wasn't as concerned about the fall as the injuries I could inflict upon myself even when things went as planned.

For running I prefer hill intervals while breathing.

Jon

 

[maytag]

What would be neat is if there were a suspension harness (like what they have for little kids) that would permit apnea running, spinning, whatever - with protection from the effects of gravity in the event of BO.

 

[Waterenthusiast]

Someone mentioned in another thread here about hurting themselves by apena running that wouldn't have happend had they been walking. I guess that the full lungs and the constant jarring that comes with running, as oppossed to walking, was enough to hurt some ribs- or something along those lines.

That was reason enough for me to not try it. I wasn't as concerned about the fall as the injuries I could inflict upon myself even when things went as planned.

For running I prefer hill intervals while breathing.

Jon

Yep, that was me!
I still have pain in my back since that happened, and it's more than 1 year ago (Actually i even have pain in my back right now!)
I definitely would recommend you not ro run with full lungs in apnea, and IMHO to train lactic acid tolerance, normal sprints do the job as well.
Christophe

 

[naiad]

What would be neat is if there were a suspension harness (like what they have for little kids) that would permit apnea running, spinning, whatever - with protection from the effects of gravity in the event of BO.

I don't know if that would be safe - I think the safest position to be in during a BO is lying down, as this allows easier blood flow to the brain. Also, being slumped in a sitting or standing position may make breathing difficult.

 

[Baba O'Riley]

....is running until you blackout common? hehe... I have been training this way, only trying to avoid a blackout and just get as close as I can. It wasn't very fun when I didn't breathe fast enough and blacked out. I woke up with some lady holding my legs up with people around me.. that was embarrassing. Anyway, I thought people didn't go that far lol

 

[ahofbauer]

Now, THAT would be a nicety!
At least in the case of running or walking.
I envision some kind of Rail System to hang on, very much
the same as used industrially for Load Assists.
If You pass out on a spinning bike there is still the Issue
of getting Your legs beaten up by the pedals (I like bikes
without sprockets, they´re strictly one to one and continue
spinning until the Flywheel runs out of energy).

Buén Aire, Compañeros!

 

[Lockedin]

What would be neat is if there were a suspension harness (like what they have for little kids) that would permit apnea running, spinning, whatever - with protection from the effects of gravity in the event of BO.

Maybe something similar to what helicopter cameramen / sidedoor gunners use: a harness with a tether and a D ring - though I'll bet I'd look pretty silly trotting around with my flight harness on!

I BO'd once while running back up the beach after a big long wave. Really humiliating to wake up with my brother-in-law (lifeguard), and a crowd of people around. And, as others here know, there was no warning, one moment I'm riding on top of the world, adrenaline pumping, celebrating the act of being an athelite, surfing big waves and jogging back for more. Then, "Do you know your name? How many fingers am I holding up? Are you hurting anywhere?" (other than my pride? :crutch ). Fortunately I hit sand, and not the rocks that are present at lowtide! :blackeye

As all the others have said: Caution is advised, and a buddy would be a good idea.

Safe Dives

Rick