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Aquatic Ape Hypothesis - evidence in fossilized teeth?

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(...)how the process works.
You develop a meaningful, testable hypothesis, then work out what the evidence of this might be and where it would be found & how, then you gather all information, supporting and not supporting and write a paper.
(...)The big problem procedurally that the science community has with AAH is that they don't follow this process at all.

It leaves me so dumbfounded to see not just you write such a thing. Would you seriously claim that AAH does not live up to that??? You might as well have pointed to a car with four wheels and say, "See, it doesn't have four wheels".
(No wonder Lewis Black screams at the world...)

A hypothesis was made, then rather than work out what would indicate an aquatic existence, where it would be found in the fossil record and what would exist now, the supporters just say things like: look, we have no hair!

I put it to you that the aquatic evidence exists in the fossil records, that it's no problem finding it, and that several have already pointed to it. But no references point to it. It's already out there, and there's nothing but walls of silence.
They ask for fossil evidence, they are being handed it, and still it isn't enough. What the hell do they want?!?

Your post seems to suggest that peer review is something that scientists decide to do or not.

Yes, I claim that they do in this case. It is Wegener anew.

I'll give you this: Since day one, this hypothesis has had a history of circumstantial evidence. It's all physical and etological comparison between modern man and generalized characteristics from the animal kingdom. All quite simple and somewhat childish.
But Wegener did exactly the same. All he had to go for from 1910 and for the next 20 years was a hunch. All he did was look at a Greenlandic landscape and compare it with measurements of the exact same landscape from 50 years earlier, finding discrepancies. Followed up with him looking at a world map going: 'Wow, the coast lines of South America and Africa looks exactly like pieces in a giant puzzle. Maybe they were once long ago attached to each other'.
What a childish thought, and that was all there was for decades. Wegener met nothing but closed doors the rest of his life, constantly getting the question: "What the hell would be the mechanism behind something so ridiculous?" All somebody had to say was 'radio activity?', and suddenly the evidence popped out everywhere.
And Wegener even had his numbers screwed up, so he thought the continents move much faster than science concludes today. But his general notion was correct and it was provable. Even if Hardy or Morgan has screwed up a detail here and there too (which is very likely), the general notion may still be correct. And those that could easily correct which ever errors and give clarity in the best interest of, you know, "science", they are just laughing at the conclusion, more or less only because it would be ... revolutionary.

(And then everobody sees Erich von Däniken and Dan Brown, so maybe I shouldn't blame people as such.)

And yes, I claim that the fossil evidence for AAH exists in abundance and screams at us from the drawers in the institutes. Anoiapithecus, Oreopithecus, Ardipithecus, all the australopitheci and homo, it's all out there. But the proper people can't stop laughing at the conclusion long enough to go look at the fossils in this new light. Because they can't or won't deal with the conclusion.

For the life of me, I don't understand why physical anthropology seems to be so frowned upon, while it seems to be absolutely no problem within zoology. Zoologists looks at the modern elephant, defines a semi-aquatic hypothesis behind its current appearance and goes looking for fossil evidence for such a silly notion. They have no problem finding it in the Moeritherium while studying its teeth. This ridiculous finding gets published and generally accepted without any God damned problem! But somebody suggests exactly the same with another African mammal, a primate that just so happens ended in us, and everybody looses their minds and shoves it into the pseudoscience category.

Because the only difference between paleoanthropology and paleozoology is that the former is about ... us, their working methods would be assumed to be identical. But in practicality, they aren't. Because it's about ourselves, and then basic biology is suddenly not good enough. One could get the impression, that anthropologists don't work with the notion that of course we are subject to exactly the same biological rules as everything else in the animal kingdom. Otherwise, they would have embraced this splash-splash notion long ago and sought out the evidence. Then it seems that our own biology still dictates to us that we have to be special in the animal kingdom. Even though ever since Darwin Ockham's Razor would indicate that we are ... not.

Then anthropologists are just like physicists that try to study quantum mechanics and inevitably influence the tests and distort the measurements. Then it seems this principle get extrapolated onto anthropologists that attempt to study themselves, and their own biology blurs their conclusions.

That's the only sense I can make of all this chaos surrounding the AAH, that otherwise would be ... a no brainer.

That's not the same as finding all the things that are common between all aquatic mammals (small ears, kidneys that process salt water, short limbs) (...).

Funny you should mention kidneys processing salt water.

Some suggested reading (...)
I can't make you read these things if you don't want to and I suspect that you won't, but that's up to you alone.

Your mama, right back at you.
You think I don't read all this stuff? I don't want to be wrong.

(...)then work out what the evidence of this might be and where it would be found & how(...)

They need to go look for it in the Sahara as much as in East Africa. Along those old river bed valleys (eg. where Toumaï was found), that were much greener in late miocene (13-5 million years ago). That's where the aquatic ape developed, across a giant region from Southern Europe to East Africa. In the dry Paradise Lost, if you will. (Anyway, that's one suggestion...)
 
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Woha, lots of heat here.

I don't have an opinion about the AAH and frankly, I don't think discussing it on DB will lead to any advancements of accepting/discarding it. Only anger, from what I have seen.

What I do know from the medical science: not all papers submitted to a journal gets published because they can be deemed "out of fashion", that the topic isn't interresting enough (in the journal's way of thinking), and not because it is not a well made study with interresting results. And I know for a fact that the reviewers are biased. We all have beliefs and interrestes.

Have this influenced the acceptance of AAH? I don't know and really don't care. To me it is not really relevant what past we have, it will not change who I am and what I do. What might be more interresting is that there are people today living what you might call a semi-aquatic life, spending several hours a day diving for food to eat or sell and are able to make a living out of it.

Peace! :)
 
Woha, lots of heat here.

I don't have an opinion about the AAH and frankly, I don't think discussing it on DB will lead to any advancements of accepting/discarding it. Only anger, from what I have seen.

I don't mean it all that bad. I'm just academically frustrated, I think.

It's getting to a point where I'm contemplating putting together a treatise, but I too think that's quite an arrogant notion from a bonafide non-academic with a good ammount of temper (plus the notion scares me). If the evidence is really that obvious, somebody from the right community should be moving to stand up to it, if not only in the wake of the new Ardipithecus. But then I'm reminded by just how much prejudice I've witnessed people have about this hypothesis, both from academics and especially non-academics. All the things people say that it claims that it never had, but which does make it sound ludicrous. And then I'm terrified that gross misunderstandings is what is keeping this gem of modern science from seeing the light of day. Just look what you guys state in here about it, one would think that you underwater people at least would read the actual content and not just blab off something like 'Oh, so we are supposed to be dolphin-apes, are we? Craaaazy...!!!'.
 
I'm gonna stop posting about it here, it's the butt-wrong forum (plus I finally found a Usenet place, sci.anthropology.paleo).
I still think there's a travesty of prejudice hammered onto this hypothesis, so I'm posting the below YouTube, that at least gives an unbiased presentation. And yes, the hypothesis may still be wrong.
Sorry for the spamming, didn't know where else to vent 'till now. Thank you for the feedback, even though I got so wound up.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFRYtPQfyCk]YouTube - Desmond Morris on the Aquatic Ape Hypothesis[/ame]
 
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