Baking soda and a second breath...

[settingsteel]

Settingsteel, look at all the trouble you've caused! rofl

YIKES:martialwe went from NaNCO3 and a second breath, to morality, to beer and chocolates...to nude diving all in one thread, gotta love this forum.

OK from what I've gathered NaNCO3 isn't exactly worth consuming or in the least the cons outweigh the pro's, right? how about the second breath (refer to the first post)

 

[Mullins]

Consensus seems to be that NaNCO3 will delay the onset of contractions & discomfort by a noticeable amount but will not increase your performance (time/distance to BO). The effect is also pretty short duration, i.e. one or two dives. So it's not really worth doing. It also makes you worse than Hitler, and dogs will bark at you in the street.

The second breath thing is just a different kind of breathup. All breathups are just exotic ways of determining how much you hyperventilate in the minutes before a dive. They make you feel more prepared by adding structure. In the end gas balanced is dictated simply by how much air is going in and out. Doing a brief static before a dive might have some extra effects though. In my case it just means extra CO2 and an elevated heart rate.

 

[shrek]

all i ment with my previous post was i'd hate to hear somebody has died playing around with this in less than ideal circumstances

 

[project1.00]

ok so baking soda is a placebo of sorts, could be...as for treatment of diabetic ketoacidosis, thats a new one

You made me think of a really good point… the use of an alkalinizing agent is not always use because in DKA because most of the time acidosis is usually relived by the initial treatment (hopefully). If the acidosis is not relieved because of an underlining issue, the alkalinizing agent is then used. On of the “big three” treatments for DKA is aggressive fluid resuscitation.

This brings up a really good point! When considering your body’s ph and your ability to maximize your capability to efficiently buff the build up of waste, acids, and carbons....much much much more important than even the thought of taking baking soda is proper hydration. Dehydration will cause a decrease in performance. If your performance is important … being hydrated is critical. You should be peeing clear … and it is best if you have been hydrated for at least a day or two before your event. There is a long list of problems dehydration causes, which all cause a decrease in your body’s efficiency.

The study posed by Tryx was pretty interesting but I have to agree with the post by Rxcnc2. The study did not do a very good job of isolating the control and they did not compensate for the error. So many things come in to play in this test like days of hydration, the previous week’s diet, rest, physical activity, mental status, stress levels. Even further I would like to see the blood work of the patient before the test. This is a very difficulty and dynamic test and would require much more detailed testing.
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[settingsteel]

Yep, seen it happen plenty of times- one specific study, without the proper controls...and before you know it, its the "law".

Thx for all the input, my take on all this, as it relates to spearfishing, is if it will increase your performance, without any negative side effects- do it! Nothing takes the place of solid knowledge and hard training both on land and in the water, but with those increased demands come increased nutrition and if you could throw some "advanced gear" in to the mix, the more the merrier. Spearfishing and anything apnea is a dangerous sport, I really don't think you stand a greater chance of croaking from a dose of baking soda than you would from blacking out in a pool, not exactly just my opinion, just a well documented stat. With that in mind the only thing, I would urge readers visiting this thread to absolutely take with them is- NEVER dive/train alone.