Cardio Vascular Training advantage/disadvantage ?!

[SEDATE]

i really do not know it can help me to improve my breathold or not.,
what exactly you doing for Cardio Vascular Training and have any idea advantage/disadvantage of it.,
what exactly you doing ?, and what happens?
if i start doing exercises 02 in my blood get thicker or decrease my O2 consumption ?
it will be very helpful for me., thnx

 

[ggarrett]

Kevin Busscher of Hawaii introduced me to a unique concept- cardio apnea. The idea is to get your heart rate up to a cardio rate (130 -150 bpm) and then to hold your breath for 20 seconds anf then to breathe for 40 seconds. Do this for 20 minutes and you have a real workout. In my opinion, the best way to train for apnea is to do apnea. I also have a need for cardio fitness for general well being. It's a balance.

Peace,
Glen

 

[naiad]

Interesting concept. Maybe a good way to train for dynamic. Conventional cardio makes very little difference for me.

Lucia

 

[DiverTodd]

I try to just keep myself in shape with a balance of cardio and apnea training. I swim twice a week, 800 yrds each session, and I do 25 mins on my elliptical machine twice a week, so I'm getting the recommended 4 days of cardio a week. Once the elliptical work gets a bit easier, I'm going to start adding in apnea while I'm doing it. The main apnea training I do comes in the form of static tables; a CO2 table on Mon and Weds, and an O2 table on Fri. (today's table ends with a 3:45 hold...eeeek. Hope I make it!) I also do 4 apnea walks on Thurs, and I try to work in a few max. hold attempts during the week, too...usually on the days I haven't done too much already!

Todd

 

[cdavis]

Lots of cardio raises your basil metabolism, which should be bad for apnea, especially static. However, for dynamic or cw, good cardio conditioning makes for more efficient use of 02. Certainly for me, and I think generally, the better the cardio condition, the longer and maybe deeper you can dive. I once saw some research on hi altitude pilots that showed those in very good cardio shape could withstand much longer periods of anoxia brought on by depreassurization of the aircraft.

Connor

 

[JPPLAY]

Good cardio should bring your normal heart rate down and allow you to lower it easier. For instance in Biathlon they have a high heart rate skiing then they bring it quickly down when they go to shoot.
I have noticed with my cardio training that my breathups have become shorter and I can do more quality dives.

 

[jome]

Well it does not seem to hurt, at least much...

As long as you remember to have 1-2 weeks rest from it before big performances, such as competition.

But so far, I've noticed no real dramatic improvements either.

But since it doesn't seem to hurt apnea, and is good for you in so many other ways, I'd recommend some

Keep in mind that any real progress in cardio training takes a long long time. Just jogging hard for a couple of weeks may feel like a tough workout, but it's not really changing much in your physiology. But after months or years of regular cardio, you just might have something...

 

[immerlustig]

connor,

Lots of cardio raises your basil metabolism, which should be bad for apnea, especially static.

doesn't your metabolic rate, your hr and vascular resistance all drop? all that is good for a static. better lactate removel, increased vo2 max, increased muscle energy stores, etc further improve aerobic fitness which should be good for repetitive and submaximal type of diving.

good cardiovascular fitness also helps greatly in reducing recovery times.

maximum performance dives definitely require higher anaerobic capacity since a maximum dive response will redistribute blood and therefore o2 away from leg/arm muscles.

cheers,

roland

 

[ggarrett]

along with apnea walking is apnea swimming. another cardio-apnea workout is apnea-butterfly for as long as one can do it. twenty minutes is a hard goal to reach. for what it's worth.

Peace,
Glen

 

[cdavis]

Hi Roland,

At rest metabolic processes in the muscles go up as you get in good cardio shape, ie, you burn more calories at rest, quite a lot more in some cases. Everything else probably goes down. The trade off is definately positive for active types of apnea. For static, could be either way. I just don't know and wasn't clear on my last post. Maybe one of the physiological experts will chime in on this one.

Connor

 

[naiad]

For me it doesn't have any effect on static, except maybe a negative effect. The only thing that improves my static time is static training and tables. It does improve my dynamic.

Lucia

 

[immerlustig]

conner,

At rest metabolic processes in the muscles go up as you get in good cardio shape

you mean during recovery, no?

roland

 

[glennv]

For me it helped me big time with static and dynamic. Mainly because more cardio fitness gave me more mental fighting power when i needed it, to prolong the end phase of my statics / dynamics (where it hurts).

 

[Sanne Buurma]

I agree on the part where you find a body balance in cardio fitness. Your body needs to be in proper shape to perform apnea exercises. Works good for me :martial

The only way to train apnea is with apnea, as Ggarret already said. Getting the mental part right can be a limiter sometimes.. :ko

 

[SEDATE]

I Thank to You all!
Very good infos

 

[land shark]

for what its worth.
To go diving you must feel good. To feel good is to be fit.
There is nothing wrong with striving to do both unless your heading for a competition.

 

[DiverTodd]

I've also found that cardio is helping me to achieve longer holds. I do 25 mins on my eliptical machine twice a week, and I also swim a total of 800 yrds twice a week. Yesterday, I did an apnea walk for a total distance of 129 yrds, after sitting and holding for a full minute, first. Today, I FINALLY broke through the wall of 3:30, and did a table that finished with a 3:45 hold! So, I'm happy!

Todd