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Dorset Spear Fishing 2011

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This is taken from an angler asking for the perspective from the ASFC...it was 2008 but believe its still 36cm in Dorset. We are deemed recreational fishermen...

Thank you for your e-mail query regarding the application of Minimum Landing Sizes (MLS) to anglers.
Most MLS's are set out in EC legislation. In our view, however, MLSs prescribed through EC legislation (Council Regulation 850/98 (as amended)) would not apply to recreational fishermen. However, this would be open to interpretation by the courts. You should note that where anglers land significant quantities of fish, the Court may take a view that this constitutes commercial activity and EC law applies.

Article 10 of the Common Fisheries Policy (EC No 2371/2002) enables the UK to take conservation measures that are more restrictive than those set by the EC. This could include MLSs, applicable to both recreational and commercial fishermen, which would be implemented in the UK through a Statutory Instrument made under the powers available in Section 1 of the Sea Fish (Conservation) Act 1967.

Although MLSs have been specified through UK Statutory Instruments in relation to England for a number of shellfish species, as an angler, I assume you will be most interested in finfish species. The Undersized Bass Order 1989, SI 1989/1285 prescribes a MLS of 36cm, and is currently the only finfish species to have an MLS prescribed through UK legislation. .

Sea Fisheries Committees (SFCs) also have powers to make byelaws for the management and conservation of their local district�s fisheries under Section 5 of the Sea Fisheries Regulation Act 1966 and the Sea Fisheries (Byelaws) Regulations 1985. These byelaws may specify local MLSs, which would apply to both commercial and recreational fishermen in the District out to six nautical miles. Cornwall SFC, for example, specifies a higher MLS for bass of 37.5cm within the District, and this would apply to both anglers and commercial fishermen. You should therefore check with the local SFC as to which rules might apply in the areas in which you fish. Contact details can be found at: http://Thank you for your e-mail query regarding the application of Minimum Landing Sizes (MLS) to anglers.
Most MLS's are set out in EC legislation. In our view, however, MLSs prescribed through EC legislation (Council Regulation 850/98 (as amended)) would not apply to recreational fishermen. However, this would be open to interpretation by the courts. You should note that where anglers land significant quantities of fish, the Court may take a view that this constitutes commercial activity and EC law applies.

Article 10 of the Common Fisheries Policy (EC No 2371/2002) enables the UK to take conservation measures that are more restrictive than those set by the EC. This could include MLSs, applicable to both recreational and commercial fishermen, which would be implemented in the UK through a Statutory Instrument made under the powers available in Section 1 of the Sea Fish (Conservation) Act 1967.

Although MLSs have been specified through UK Statutory Instruments in relation to England for a number of shellfish species, as an angler, I assume you will be most interested in finfish species. The Undersized Bass Order 1989, SI 1989/1285 prescribes a MLS of 36cm, and is currently the only finfish species to have an MLS prescribed through UK legislation. .

Sea Fisheries Committees (SFCs) also have powers to make byelaws for the management and conservation of their local district�s fisheries under Section 5 of the Sea Fisheries Regulation Act 1966 and the Sea Fisheries (Byelaws) Regulations 1985. These byelaws may specify local MLSs, which would apply to both commercial and recreational fishermen in the District out to six nautical miles. Cornwall SFC, for example, specifies a higher MLS for bass of 37.5cm within the District, and this would apply to both anglers and commercial fishermen. You should therefore check with the local SFC as to which rules might apply in the areas in which you fish. Contact details can be found at: http://www.asfc.org.uk/

I understand that competition rules and personal angling practices can vary and it would be difficult to make a definitive judgement on the enforcement of the provisions based on one approach to angling. You should be aware however that if you were found to be in possession of an undersized fish, having considered the particular circumstances involved, an enforcement officer may conclude that you are in breach of the regulations. It is, therefore, possible that anglers in possession of undersize fish could be prosecuted. Where minimum landing sizes do not explicitly apply, I would hope that anglers would take a responsible approach and avoid deliberately targeting undersized fish, returning any caught as soon as possible./

I understand that competition rules and personal angling practices can vary and it would be difficult to make a definitive judgement on the enforcement of the provisions based on one approach to angling. You should be aware however that if you were found to be in possession of an undersized fish, having considered the particular circumstances involved, an enforcement officer may conclude that you are in breach of the regulations. It is, therefore, possible that anglers in possession of undersize fish could be prosecuted. Where minimum landing sizes do not explicitly apply, I would hope that anglers would take a responsible approach and avoid deliberately targeting undersized fish, returning any caught as soon as possible.
 
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Hello Dorset Spearos,
I have a question:
Where can I get proper Tide Tables from?

Last few times I used easytide and bbcweather and they were totaly wrong for Swanage and Poole areas. Yeasterday the difference was about 3 hours! I planned to start finning to Old Harry 2 hours before HW (easytide table) and came to Studland at 7pm and the tide was already ebbing.
And what's happened to BBC Weather | Poole (Entrance)
and BBC Weather | Poole (Entrance) ?
If anyone could help me I would be very thankful.
 
hi Paul

might be a silly suggestion but are you adjusting the daylight savings on admiralty easy tide in the drop down box on the right? i may be telling you how to suck eggs but i know a very experienced spearo who spent some time cussing easytide (cough,cough,paul,cough,smith) only to realise he had not adjusted for daylight savings. its also worth noting, though i guess you already know, that poole has a double tide (ie first and second high each tidal movement), and that where you were heading is calculated better using poole tide tables rather than swanage which can be up to 50 minutes later.

Chris

ps. thats a bloody long swim, especially coming back in the dark!! go careful!
 
Chris,
Yes, I alway do! And a daylight saving doesn't explain 3 hours difference anyway.
And yes, it was a bloody extrim finning back to the beach, 1,5 miles against the ebbing tide current.
 
ImageUploadedByTapatalk1310494416.976176.jpg here she is all 18lbs of her :-) I put a write up on after I've been to asda! Hopefully they got a few potatoes for me :-)
 
Come on Scottie how long can you take in asda getting ice ? I take thats what youve gone for as well as the spuds or has the fish swallowed you ?Tell us about it come on!!!!! Nice fish think the F.O.M. is looking exciting this mounth.
 
Sorry guys the wife got me doing the recycling :-) here it is

Hi guys
Dived Portland yesterday with James and Gary. We arrived at Castletown slip at 9 o'clock met Gary, kitted up and headed out and around Portland. We stopped off on some shallow stuff up to 10m just to get the lungs working where I picked up a mullet, then we moved out on the edge of a ledge before the tide started to run. When we reached our chosen spot the tide was already pushing hard so it made it difficult to hit the mark, the first two drops I over shot the mark taking to long to breath up. Third time lucky I hit the bottom in 16m of water. Just up stream from the hole I could see shadows on the egde of the viz, at last I thought, I've found the bream but they wouldn't come close enough. I only had my 85cm woody so I let the current take me towards the hole (as if I had any choice), i dropped into the hole turned ready to see if any bream would come close, nothing did. I was coming to the end of my breath hold so had to bale, leaving the hole I turned as I pushed off the bottom and saw the biggest head I've ever seen stick out from under the ledge, gun was pretty much pointing at it so I let fire! BANG! The spear went straight through its head i stoned it, pulled the line in and got it in a bear hug then carried on swimming. 16m with that puppy tucked under your arm in that current was stupid but I wasn't going to let it go! Couldn't believe what I had just done, my first cod and it was a donkey! Got back to Castletown to weigh her 18lbs on the button .Awesome day in the sun shine with great company!
 
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