Drawing parallel between Apnea Walk and Dynamic Apnea

[ShallowGuy]

My question is NOT about compering the distance. It's about compering... sensations (not sure if it's a right word).

When I apnea walk I pretty much can divide walk into 3 stages:

1. Easy walk.

2. Start of contractions - they get stronger and stronger, I can barely hold my breath. Definitely very hard one. In the past it was an end of my journey.

3. Contractions are regular but somehow weaker, manageable. On that stage I know I can walk further having only lactic + lack of oxygen to stop me.

Should I expect to see something similar in my Dynamic in swimming-pool? Once a week I train with buddy but try never to get beyond 50-60m, to not create unnecessary pressure on my buddy. That's a stage where my contractions usually start. Often I get some lactic then but it might be because I do this after whole training session rather than on the beginning.

So my question is directed towards people who do both: dynamic and walk. Would you say your apnea walk stages are similar to dynamic?

Thanks for any replies.

 

[MarcinB]

From my experience it is very similar. In my case contractions start after 40-45m, then they get stronger and stronger. After 80-90m they remain at more or less the same level but somehow they are less difficult to withstand. My PB in DYN is currently 125m (in bifins), no signs of hypoxia yet, lactic tolerance is what limits me.

 

[ShallowGuy]

From my experience it is very similar. In my case contractions start after 40-45m, then they get stronger and stronger. After 80-90m they remain at more or less the same level but somehow they are less difficult to withstand. My PB in DYN is currently 125m (in bifins), no signs of hypoxia yet, lactic tolerance is what limits me.

Yeah, my guess is I don't have a proper adaptation to dynamic yet. My head is failing me.

 

[MarcinB]

It is definitely a mental problem, if you can do a 200m apnea walk you should be able to do 75m DYN easily. Before I did 75m for the first time I thought it is impossible for me to swim that long. I have created a sort of mental block, if contractions are so strong after 60m there is no chance I can bear them till 75m. When I finally moved past this barrier I was really amazed by the fact that it is possible to swim for so long with contractions.

 

[ShallowGuy]

I did a solid 3:30 walk yesterday. It doesn't even look like it's close to my limit.

I had this sort of mental block before. Even in static (mostly dry) I was stack in 5 minutes range before I added 2 minutes on top of that within 2-3 weeks by just changing my mentality.

It's time to break yet another mental block it seems.

 

[MarcinB]

Wow, that's impressive. How did you overcome that mental block in static?

 

[ShallowGuy]

I knew my static should be way above 5 minutes mark for the simple reason my "classic" CO2 table (with 45, 30 and 15 seconds ventilation in between) was at 4 minutes mark. So my CO2 was catching up with O2, and that was weird.

So I knew it is all about my head. First thing I did I stopped waiting for 5 minutes mark. I set my mark on 6:13 (the weird time but I've chosen very detailed time - it is a part of visualizations. It comes from self-development book I've read. Author advised in it to set very detailed goal such as earning $29556 by 23rd of May 2014. Next thing is to visualize yourself achieving this goal. Visualizing yourself in every detail - will you be cheering? How will you be dressed then? How the environment will look and so on. For a week I was imagining this and set final date to achieve this.

Still I was quitting statics after 3 minutes or so. It was like "no, not today" bla bla bla. And then when deadline was there my static was already on 5 minutes mark. I said to myself "at least go past that damn 5 minutes mark, go to like 5 minutes 20 mark or so". Contractions were horrible but I said to myself "no, today you want quit, You will blackout but you will not quit. You quited so many times in your life but you won't quit today". In short - self-motivational talk, straight from The Old Man and the Sea book of Hemingway. I "talked" to my body, lol. I've checked and I was on 5:47 mark and I knew 6 min will be broken. Contractions became weaker and more manageable. Thoughts were into "zone" were you don't see time anymore. I glanced on stopwatch and I realized I'm getting to 6:13 mark. I stopped on 6:13 precisely - because it was my goal. 2 days later I went to 6:40 and then quickly into 7 minutes zone.

I used very similar technique for my apnea walk. I "talk" to my body when the hardest part comes.
I used to quit after 1:30 of walking, now I walk for more than 3 minutes without signs of samba and so on.

Now I need to apply this things in wet apnea and see how it goes.