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Dynamic In A Pool, 16ft Apnea
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Ya.. im sorry I meant ottawa area, doesnt stay warm for very long at all, most of the time the water is frozen... but ya ive heard B.C. is beautiful in and out of the water
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one last attempt to revieve this thread to find out:
1) Is chlorine in the air bad for your luungs?
2)Does anyone freedive in ottawa area and be interested in some pool -winter practice?
1) Is chlorine in the air bad for your luungs?
2)Does anyone freedive in ottawa area and be interested in some pool -winter practice?
I doubt there is any, any smart freediver with freewill wouldnt stay in Canada for long
Mate spend some time on here and you'll soon realise Canada plays host to some top divers.
Deepergreen,
Chlorine: Depends on the ventilation at the pool. I don't know of any info that says air quality in pools affects 02 or co2 content, but it can definitely affect comfort and relaxation, which affects breathhold. If you have any predisposing conditions like asthma, lots of chemicals in the air can be a problem.
Pool training: I get the feeling that you are a bit put off by the heavy feet that came down on you about doing statics on the bottom under a pile of weights. Can't blame you, but the heavy feet are right. That is about the most dangerous thing you can do in a pool. Keep practicing max statics like that and it is very likely to get you killed, no exaggeration. Then my pool manager will hear about it and give me hell for doing something innocuous.
You have the wrong idea about how to use pool training. I often pool train alone as well, but that is not the time to push the breathhold. Work on technique to reduce 02 consumption: finning, surface dives, breathing style, dive reflex, not static. You don't need to do more than short dives, not going past the first urge to breathe, and these things have a huge impact on 02 burn rate and your ability to stay down during real diving. The time to work on pushing the breathold is with dry tables and apnea walking. The combination of pool work for technique and dry training to push apnea length will work very well for you.
Developing a good relationship with the lifeguards is another key to pool training. They are mostly worthless as life savers for you(not their fault), but can make your life miserable with restrictions if they don't like you or understand what you are doing. Keep them in the loop, so they know what you are doing, make small changes in your routine if it helps them, keep'em happy.
If you would like some help with that, ask specific questions on the forum or pm me.
Connor
Chlorine: Depends on the ventilation at the pool. I don't know of any info that says air quality in pools affects 02 or co2 content, but it can definitely affect comfort and relaxation, which affects breathhold. If you have any predisposing conditions like asthma, lots of chemicals in the air can be a problem.
Pool training: I get the feeling that you are a bit put off by the heavy feet that came down on you about doing statics on the bottom under a pile of weights. Can't blame you, but the heavy feet are right. That is about the most dangerous thing you can do in a pool. Keep practicing max statics like that and it is very likely to get you killed, no exaggeration. Then my pool manager will hear about it and give me hell for doing something innocuous.
You have the wrong idea about how to use pool training. I often pool train alone as well, but that is not the time to push the breathhold. Work on technique to reduce 02 consumption: finning, surface dives, breathing style, dive reflex, not static. You don't need to do more than short dives, not going past the first urge to breathe, and these things have a huge impact on 02 burn rate and your ability to stay down during real diving. The time to work on pushing the breathold is with dry tables and apnea walking. The combination of pool work for technique and dry training to push apnea length will work very well for you.
Developing a good relationship with the lifeguards is another key to pool training. They are mostly worthless as life savers for you(not their fault), but can make your life miserable with restrictions if they don't like you or understand what you are doing. Keep them in the loop, so they know what you are doing, make small changes in your routine if it helps them, keep'em happy.
If you would like some help with that, ask specific questions on the forum or pm me.
Connor
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Connor, any tips on safe ways to improve DR and O2 consumption in the pool. I too train alone and am have to control the temptation to do 'just-a-but-more...'
At present I do:
1. Techniquie swims, less than 25m focussing on one or two really good strokes
2. Dolphin no fins as we're not allowed to wear fins :-(
3. Duck dives
4. EQ no hands down to 3m (woohoo) to work on BTV
5. Fast swims followed by dry statics OUT OF THE POOL
6. Crawl breathing every 3rd stroke, then 5th, then 7th, 5th & 3rd again
At present I do:
1. Techniquie swims, less than 25m focussing on one or two really good strokes
2. Dolphin no fins as we're not allowed to wear fins :-(
3. Duck dives
4. EQ no hands down to 3m (woohoo) to work on BTV
5. Fast swims followed by dry statics OUT OF THE POOL
6. Crawl breathing every 3rd stroke, then 5th, then 7th, 5th & 3rd again
Hi deepergreen,
You have two gold mines for freedive training very near to you in Ottawa. Aida Canada is based in Montreal and the guys and gals at the local Montreal Freediving Club run courses and practices all the time: CASM : Club d'Apne Sportive de Montral - Montreal Freediving Club AIDA Canada Home
Also, in Toronto, I highly recommend you get in touch with Doug Sitter and the rest of the gang at Freedive Toronto. Both are well worth the trip on a weekend if you can set something up.
I fully agree with the helpful posts above, especially cdavis and fondueset and others advising caution. For myself, I never train alone in the pool past 25m and never do static. In Canada, doing static apnea is a certain recipie for getting banned from a pool, once senior pool management gets wind of it in most cases, and it also damages the chances for other freedivers to use pools in the future.
My best advice: post on the AIDA Canada forum (which is most active in Ontario and Quebec), ask for connections in Ottawa or learn from Doug and Francois about perhaps getting a small training group or club together in Ottawa. I'm sure you can find some spearos or other freedivers there if you ask around.
Have you posted on the spearfishing forums?
Pete (former AIDA Canada board member)
BC, Canada
You have two gold mines for freedive training very near to you in Ottawa. Aida Canada is based in Montreal and the guys and gals at the local Montreal Freediving Club run courses and practices all the time: CASM : Club d'Apne Sportive de Montral - Montreal Freediving Club AIDA Canada Home
Also, in Toronto, I highly recommend you get in touch with Doug Sitter and the rest of the gang at Freedive Toronto. Both are well worth the trip on a weekend if you can set something up.
I fully agree with the helpful posts above, especially cdavis and fondueset and others advising caution. For myself, I never train alone in the pool past 25m and never do static. In Canada, doing static apnea is a certain recipie for getting banned from a pool, once senior pool management gets wind of it in most cases, and it also damages the chances for other freedivers to use pools in the future.
My best advice: post on the AIDA Canada forum (which is most active in Ontario and Quebec), ask for connections in Ottawa or learn from Doug and Francois about perhaps getting a small training group or club together in Ottawa. I'm sure you can find some spearos or other freedivers there if you ask around.
Have you posted on the spearfishing forums?
Pete (former AIDA Canada board member)
BC, Canada
My only advice on this is to make an appointment with a "doctor or respiratory nurse" then. If you didn't want "just anyone's" opinion, then why are you asking here?
All you hypochondriacs - lend me your fears!!
Are Indoor Pools Bad for Your Lungs? - NYTimes.com
And
[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pool_chlorine_hypothesis"]Pool chlorine hypothesis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]
By the way - the esoteric device I used to find this watershed of deleterious data is called 'google'. It is not a doctor or a nurse, but sometimes plays them on the Internet.
Take heart, deepergreen, bricking yourself to the bottom'll kill ya way faster than the Chlorine.
Are Indoor Pools Bad for Your Lungs? - NYTimes.com
And
[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pool_chlorine_hypothesis"]Pool chlorine hypothesis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]
By the way - the esoteric device I used to find this watershed of deleterious data is called 'google'. It is not a doctor or a nurse, but sometimes plays them on the Internet.
Take heart, deepergreen, bricking yourself to the bottom'll kill ya way faster than the Chlorine.
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So you only do 25 meters with no fins... Im guessing that takes longer than 50 meters with fins.
Yes I'm pretty cautious - I do 15-20m DNF, just for technique. I'm unweighted so I'm doing them FRC.
I'm not sure if it's faster to do 50m in fins as I'm a slow finner, but all my fin work is with the club and obviously I'm properly buddied up there.
I think Dave made the point in this thread that the more you train low CO2 tolerance the easier it is to swim into hypoxia and risk BO, so i don't know if coming up when it's hard or something is really a good idea.
FRC and empty lung are notorious for unexpected black out too, but I can't swim full lung unweighted becasue my technique's not good enough to stay down. I'm new so I don't know my body as well as I could either.
All good reasons for caution. Dive safe and Have Fun!
I'm not sure if it's faster to do 50m in fins as I'm a slow finner, but all my fin work is with the club and obviously I'm properly buddied up there.
I think Dave made the point in this thread that the more you train low CO2 tolerance the easier it is to swim into hypoxia and risk BO, so i don't know if coming up when it's hard or something is really a good idea.
FRC and empty lung are notorious for unexpected black out too, but I can't swim full lung unweighted becasue my technique's not good enough to stay down. I'm new so I don't know my body as well as I could either.
All good reasons for caution. Dive safe and Have Fun!
I do the same here - no fins with full lungs and unweighted is miserable - though a good workout. I don't want to bring weights into the pool - they've been tolerant enough of me already!
At Will Trubridge's master class he advocated 25m as an ideal training distance. He gave us tables we could use building to a peak of short breathe-ups and back down again. (Will likes to use total dive time - including breatheup) I like to play with using the minimum number of strokes to do 25 with no fins.
At Will Trubridge's master class he advocated 25m as an ideal training distance. He gave us tables we could use building to a peak of short breathe-ups and back down again. (Will likes to use total dive time - including breatheup) I like to play with using the minimum number of strokes to do 25 with no fins.