Experience with new Pegaso fins?

[chrismar]

Lots of people refer to the fragility of carbon fins. I'm not convinced. Badly formed carbon fibre is crap, but out of interest, how many people have broken a pair of C4s? They seem very robust to me.

 

[twentytwomonk]

I've heard that the VTR's were really flimsy. I had a set of 25's, and my waterways #2's are waaaaay stiffer. Spaghetti, if you try the VTR's, let us know what you think. I've pondered getting a pair, but can't get past how soft they were.

 

[armandozx]

Spaghetti I am a little biased about your comment even though I agree with it, prob because I will use a sporasub foot pocket on my next fins aside from that, I would not have a problem with your comment. But seriously who out there makes an interchangeable foot pocket only four brands come to mind and two of them have been mentioned. Picasso & Spetton who are somewhat expensive and not so common as omer & sporasub when dealing with foot pockets. For ex Austins here in Miami have 0 picasso blades or footpockets and same for spetton pockets additionally ALL Their C4 GEAR come with Omer footpockets. Kinda forced to only buy one brand eh! except for cressis but that's a closed road that I would not like to take. PS I look forward to the new Mares footpocket It looks like it would be something worth buying!

 

[spaghetti]

I've heard that the VTR's were really flimsy. I had a set of 25's, and my waterways #2's are waaaaay stiffer. Spaghetti, if you try the VTR's, let us know what you think. I've pondered getting a pair, but can't get past how soft they were.

Well dave let me say that every fiberglass blade in stifness "25" feels a bit floppy. Tou could say the same about the Omer Bat 25: they really look as if they were made of cheese paper (you know, that paper used by the grocer to pack slices of cheese...).
However, they're made so soft on purpose, for people who need a fin to be very soft and elastic. Me I need something a bit stiffer, that's why I'm considering the VTR 30 or others in the same category.
Now if you read this post dave, did you find the Cayman handle you were looking for? I have one and could send it to you for free if you still need it (but first I have to check the shipping cost: let me know however).
Armando: I am still a Sporasub fan, but it's a fact that some of their latest products had a poor quality. However this is not the case of the Sporasub footpocket, wich is very good and reliable, so don't worry, be happy!

 

[Seacidal]

I've been away awhile, but am glad to see this thread still going.

I ended up purchasing a pair of the Omer Pegaso fins (med. stiffness) and have been using them for hunting white seabass along the California coast. I am really impressed by the quality of the workmanship, and the thinness of the fiberglass blade. Perhaps it's due to the autoclaving process?

They are a vast improvement over any plastic blade I've used, and the incorporate the new attachment means that is found on the Omer Rekord 3 fins. I also have a pair of those. I've beaten up both sets of fins pretty well on rocks and reefs, and they are none the worse for wear.

The Pegaso are very similar in performance to the carbon fiber Rekords. However, the Rekords are a touch more sensitive. If the blade brushes against a leaf of kelp, you feel it. It's almost startling at times. But they are both great fins. I alternate between the two, depending upon the type of diving/hunting I'm doing.

Chip Bissell

 

[Molinaro]

I've been away awhile, but am glad to see this thread still going.

I ended up purchasing a pair of the Omer Pegaso fins (med. stiffness) and have been using them for hunting white seabass along the California coast. I am really impressed by the quality of the workmanship, and the thinness of the fiberglass blade. Perhaps it's due to the autoclaving process?

They are a vast improvement over any plastic blade I've used, and the incorporate the new attachment means that is found on the Omer Rekord 3 fins. I also have a pair of those. I've beaten up both sets of fins pretty well on rocks and reefs, and they are none the worse for wear.

The Pegaso are very similar in performance to the carbon fiber Rekords. However, the Rekords are a touch more sensitive. If the blade brushes against a leaf of kelp, you feel it. It's almost startling at times. But they are both great fins. I alternate between the two, depending upon the type of diving/hunting I'm doing.

Chip Bissell

Hey Chip, I'm very interested in the Pegaso. This weekend i went hunting down here in Rio de Janeiro and i tried the Gara 3000 LD (long distance). My current fins are the Gara 3000 (black). The 3000 LD is supposed to be 15% softer then the 3000 and i liked it better. I noticed that i burned less oxigen with the LD.
In comparison to the the Pegaso (med stiffness) what would you say? don't know if you had experience with the Garas, maybe someone on this Forum?

Basically what i need is to choose the right stiffness for the Pegaso similar to the stiffness i found on the gara 3000 LD as i chose to move from plastic to fiber.
Thanks!

 

[Seacidal]

I don't have any personal experience with the Gara fins. Maybe somebody else can pitch in.
Compared to my plastic Omer Millennium Comps, the Pegasos deliver more power with less effort. They and the Rekords are very comfortable to swim with. I believe the medium Pegaso fins are comparable in stiffness to the Rekords. A buddy who has used the Rekords and the Edge blades by 20 Fathoms, felt that the Rekords weren't as stiff.

While I'm not diving to 100 foot depths all day long, I am diving with a 7mm wetsuit and a lot of lead. Even on dives past 50 feet, I am comfortable with the power of the Pegasos and the Rekords. The action is very smooth and fluid, and with the progressive taper of the blade thickness, they are able to generate a lot of power if you really lean into them.

I'll be interested to hear what people think about them in comparison to the Garas.
Thanks,
Chip

 

[azapa]

The whole foot pocket things scare me with Omers. I really think they SUCK. they seem wide and gaping at the heel, too soft in that area too. I see that Spetton is making footpockets now. I have gone back to old Imersion Greens, and am convinced that a softer fin is better. I seem to need to feel the flex all the way to the footpocket, through the toes. With Omer Milenium runners, I would never feel the footpocket flex even on the strongest/deepest kicks, it felt like they were flexing up to 3 or 4 inches before the footpocket, and instead of a nice flex through that area, my heal would wobble.

Bit of a ramble, hope some of it is of use

 

[spaghetti]

The whole foot pocket things scare me with Omers. I really think they SUCK. they seem wide and gaping at the heel, too soft in that area too. I see that Spetton is making footpockets now. I have gone back to old Imersion Greens, and am convinced that a softer fin is better. I seem to need to feel the flex all the way to the footpocket, through the toes. With Omer Milenium runners, I would never feel the footpocket flex even on the strongest/deepest kicks, it felt like they were flexing up to 3 or 4 inches before the footpocket, and instead of a nice flex through that area, my heal would wobble.

Bit of a ramble, hope some of it is of use

I'm not sure I understand, but if you say that a footpocket must flex a lot, I have to totally disagree with what you said. Omer footpockets are a good compromise between stiff and flexible, so to let the blades do the thrusting job. Just, friendly, my 2 cents

 

[pvilela]

I don´t you try CARBONTEK fins, they have a model called Carbonglass, 70 % carbon ; 30% fiber, thy sold it in 3 diferent stiffness, it is not expensive prices for the blades should be around 150 €.
They perform very well

 

[azapa]

I'm not sure I understand, but if you say that a footpocket must flex a lot, I have to totally disagree with what you said. Omer footpockets are a good compromise between stiff and flexible, so to let the blades do the thrusting job. Just, friendly, my 2 cents

hmm Spag my old buddy. Not sure that I explained, or that you understood, too well. I like to feel that the fins are flexing all the way to my toes, a little bit of bend or sensation on hard kicks in the toe area, that lets me know the blade is fully flexed. I have no idea if this is good or bad, but dives are much easier for me with fins like this. For example with the black milenium runners, I would never feel aything in my toes, which makes me feel like the blade is not really flexing, or if it is, it is doing so several inches in front` of my toes: ie (my perception) not working optimally. I put this down to cold (12C) water not agreeing with the blades more than the footpocket. My beef with the omer footpockets is their very wide fit, which does not suite my elegant feet :crutch:crutch

 

[oflow]

I have also been considering a pair of Omer Pegaso/ Rekord fins. I am currently using the Picasso Black Team camo fins, and for me, they seem to work pretty well. Perhaps if they had a bit more thrust.... I've been meaning to pick up some carbon fins; the c4 and Omer Pegaso are the only ones I'm really interested. But friends of mine have said they make an "oil pan" sound in the water....? If you hold the fins in front of you by the foot pocket and wobble them up and down you get this " wah-o-wah-o-wah" sound. I would think in the water that a person would be making a much more fluid motion.... can anyone verify these claims, or should I definitely just pick up some c4's or Pegaso/Rekords??? Please enlighten me... I'll be doing alot of filming and stalking on the reefs and kelp beds at Santa Catalina. ( Lion's Head, Little/Big Geiger, Cortes Cape, and Ribbon Rock areas):martial -ofLow-

 

[Seacidal]

Having dived for some time with the Omer Pegaso and Omer Rekord 3's, I'm beginning to question the "oil can" rumor. While you may be able to obtain such a sound in air, I've never heard it in the water. And I often hunt fish that can be extremely sensitive to sound. These fins, along with the carbon and/or fiberglass fins of my dive buddies, have never made the oil can sound underwater. I'm thinking it may be an urban legend.

 

[oflow]

Thanks Seacidal. I've never tried em' in the water, so personal experience is the key... and if you've never heard that sound before it may cetainly be a rumor. Now I need scrape together a few hundred bucks today.

 

[Molinaro]

hey i'm back in Brazil from Cozumel where i freedive with my new Pegaso fins. I got the medium stiffness and i was impressed, very responsive and i noticed a good diference from my older plastic Gara 3000. I made some videos and now that you guys mentioned, i did hear that noise while going down in some videos..
while in the water i did not noticed but now its clear in some videos. don't know if it will alert the fish because i was not hunting and i was in the marine park where i got pretty close to nice size games..

 

[Seacidal]

Thanks for your report! It'd be very interesting to see and hear the video. I've been using the Pegasos while stalking our California White Seabass. They have a reputation for being a very spooky fish with a great sensitivity to sound.

I was filmed recently (for an episode of Speargun Hunter) while hunting these seabass and the footage did not reveal any fin noise. In fact, I was able to move in very close to two quite large seabass without spooking them. I believe that one of them may have even been asleep throughout my approach.

It would be very interesting to find out what kind of noise you're referring to. I've dived with a number of other divers who wear various carbon fiber or fiberglass fins and the general agreement is that they are silent under the surface. Hope to find out more.
Thanks!
Chip

 

[Erik]

I have carbons, fiberglass and plastic. I've never heard anything from any of them underwater.

 

[spaghetti]

Could be because the footpockets are wet?
It must be the same phenomenon happening with leather shoes when they're wet for rain and start making that sound like "geek-jak geek-jak geek-jak". Could be?

 

[Molinaro]

Thanks for your report! It'd be very interesting to see and hear the video. I've been using the Pegasos while stalking our California White Seabass. They have a reputation for being a very spooky fish with a great sensitivity to sound.

I was filmed recently (for an episode of Speargun Hunter) while hunting these seabass and the footage did not reveal any fin noise. In fact, I was able to move in very close to two quite large seabass without spooking them. I believe that one of them may have even been asleep throughout my approach.

It would be very interesting to find out what kind of noise you're referring to. I've dived with a number of other divers who wear various carbon fiber or fiberglass fins and the general agreement is that they are silent under the surface. Hope to find out more.
Thanks!
Chip

Excellent! I will upload the video and post the links so you guys can help to analyse if the noise comes from the fins or something else..

 

[Molinaro]

The video is too heavy.. (MBs)
but i've been looking at other videos taken from my girlfriend from a good distance and these videos made the same noise. Most probably it comes from the underwater housing..