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Fish Fight Campaign

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Huan,

For me I see the ocean as a natural wildlife zone. It should be preserved not destroyed. And if there is less fish there today, that what it was has been destroyed. If the bottom looks different then that also has been destroyed. It aint ours to do that to. It certainly ain't the commercial fishermen. Efficiency is only one measure of performance. Effective is another as is sustainable.

If a farmer own lands and has produce on it, they can do what they like.

Simple,
 
Bob
Preservation would mean that you couldn't spearfish or set any pots.
You really want that?
I don't think its as simple as saying that if you own it you can do what you want.
If a farmer spreads toxic chemicals and they leach into waterways we all suffer.
Every action has consequences, and saying that commercial fishing is wrong is just too simplistic.
 
Bob, I'm with Huan on this one. I understand that as a renewable resource, the fishstock will if given time recover to a level where it can be managed effectively. Resulting in a situation where fish caught=natural increase resulting in no change in fishstock.
Having worked commercially I was aware of the huge amount of discard, and have to say that it does make me very angry that it has gone on for so many years without anyone making a move to change it.

If I remember correctly ( and Huan you may have more information on this) the Norwegian system differs in relation to the CFP by legislating that all fish brought on board must be landed. I remember a few years ago a Norwegian trawler filmed a British trawler in Norwegian waters and focused on the shute where the discard was coming out of. This video which made its way to youtube. This as far as I am aware caused outrage among Norwegian fishermen. The description in the Vid says it was British waters, but I'm fairly certain it was Norwegian.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7i5nX4-bScI]YouTube - L'affaire du " Prolific "[/ame]

And don't get me started on the scandal of high grading. I reckon HFW would have a hell of a time getting any footage of that!

Anywho, the CFP as it stands is unworkable. A revised system which discards the need for discarding fish would be a vast improvment.
 
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"Quote" I understand that as a renewable resource, the fishstock will if given time recover to a level where it can be managed effectively. Resulting in a situation where fish caught=natural increase resulting in no change in fishstock "Quote"

You guys speak with confidence however simple facts show massive declines with most fish stocks "world wide"
In my mind all I see is an every increasing population of the human race & every decreasing population of fish?
Good on Hugh for making an effort.......
 
Bob
Preservation would mean that you couldn't spearfish or set any pots.
You really want that?
I don't think its as simple as saying that if you own it you can do what you want.
If a farmer spreads toxic chemicals and they leach into waterways we all suffer.
Every action has consequences, and saying that commercial fishing is wrong is just too simplistic.

Preservation means to protect from danger. In fact in a natural world there will always be a food chain and alpha predators (sharks, whales, seals) who kill for personal consumption not to stockpile and profit from.

Humans have also always killed for personal consumption and for their local societies (village etc) consumption.
I think its fair to kill fish for personal consumption. I will continue to do this as long as I can.

If my activities as a spearo means I am endangering a species, then yes I would advocate stopping spearing. However, I don't think it does.
If it ever came to it tho I would definitely rather free-dive in a natural environment than spear in a wasteland and I would freely stop spearing.

I think we should buy and eat local produce and your diet should be based on where you live and what is local rather than what we like.
If you live on an island... your diet should be mostly fish, if you live in a dessert fish should be a rare luxury if even. BUt even if you are in a dessert and want to eat fish (as I have in Qatar and Saudi Arabia) I would still seek sustainable fish. As a rule of thumb I try not to purchase any wild animals for consumption... that means no in tescos and no in restaurants unless they can tell me where it came from and how it was caught.

Haun I have no problem with clever commercial fishermen who use clever, novel, safe and sustainable methods to catch enough to make a living (Line Caught bass, pollack and mackerel - South West Handline Fishermen?s Association). But if they can't make a living they should stop.

It is not the politicians who are decimating the oceans.... it is the fishermen, they are the ones throwing back the discard... whether they are happy to do it or not is not the point.

My friend is a marine biologist and he is now in the process of finding trawlers in Ireland to travel on to determine how many seals are killed on average in the nets. He has an uphill struggle as this is not logged and the fishermen only want to chuck the dead seal over the side and say nothing. Ireland is a seal sanctuary along with other species and seal's are protected in Irish waters. Accidental bycatch of seals happens and is not illegal but if the Irish public knew the extent there may well be a backlash so very little is know about the figures....
Is it acceptable to allow 'efficient' trawling that affects seals?

TBH, I'm not sure the use of any net is legitimate.
If net fishing was eliminated, people would consume less fish and fish would be more desirable. There would be more of a market for line caught fish and therefore more jobs. Win win right? People would travel to seaside locations and eat fish (like what was done historically - paella anyone?).
And we would have no waste and beautiful waters to dive and spear in.

Abusingelves, I do not have a problem with technology or fish. Nets do not catch anything on their own and fish will reproduce as much as naturally controlled by predators in an environmental balance.
Humans however have no respect for this balance and destroy it, and then moan that they are being forced to do it.... well there are no politicians on the docks forcing them.......

Its all related. When herring is overfished, cod suffers. Then fish cod and cod stocks are further damaged. With no cod the prawn flourish so all the boats changed to prawn fishing. Prawn fishing diminishes and what are we left with?? Detritus? Will we become filter feeders?
 
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Foxfish, I agree, I think I pointed out the ideal situation of people managing their environment sustainably. This has not happened and is not happening. What we have is a situation where we have industrialised the fishing fleet, and are highly likely to take fish stocks below levels which they are able to recover from.
I'm from a fishing community and practically all my family have fished at one time or another, but only one member is still fishing, but he's in the research end of things.
My grandfather (90) tells me stories of good catches of big cod, Hake, Whiting, Ling, Bream which he had in his day from open rowing boats. These are fish which you now see very seldom where I'm from. There are so few that I don't think I'd spear any of them if i came across them, with the exception of maybe Ling.
Anyway, there is an old saying where I'm from that says that, 'the day will come when a son will ask his father if fish ever swam in Galway bay?'

Bob, I agree with your points on nets not being warranted, and we are exactly on the same page when it comes to fish going for human consumption. I don't eat fish often as I try and only eat what I kill myself. I mentioned it here a few years ago, but a fillet in a plastic tub in the supermarket had several fish die to get that one piece of fish to the shelf. Lines are definitely a far better option than nets, but sadly almost all methods of fishing produce some form of bycatch, in the form of other fish, mammals or birds. That is why i think that any fish brought on board, or effectively killed, should be landed and go to human consumption.

I Don't think the fishermen are entirely to blame here, but you're right they are not faultless either. Change will have to come through legislation I think as there is so much commercial interest and money involved. Hopefully this campaign will move things in the right direction, and its important that a large number of people are seen to be behind it.
 
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Fishing using trawling/other nonselective methods, a necessary evil?

My ideal would be an end these practices. However That might upset all the dependent stakeholders who make a living or are involved from the catching/sale/processing/seling of these fish.
At the end of the day its become to some extent the "welfare of the sea vs Welfare of people dependent upon fish for their livelihood.
 
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On my travels around the the country I allways look at the fish markets n shops lots of the fish is farmed and from far away and small/ way under are leagal landing\take sizes. Are farmed fish under different laws and are whole or part fish comeing in to uk excluded from uk laws? This morning I looked at a pack of four sea bass all about 280 mm long farmed in greece? Can some one put some light on this for me?
 
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Judging by the tiny bass in our supermarkets (Tescos for one), presumably the law allows any size fish if they have been farmed (or possibly caught abroad?). Let's hope is not a ruse for selling undersize fish. I don't like the idea of killing even farmed fish that small though ("pan size"). A lot of fish farming is environmentally harmful too :(.
 
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